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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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The weird rumors/fan casting for the FF has been weird. Nothing against the people who have been rumored, but I would bet money that the FF, at least Reed and Sue/Johnny, aren't going to be played by actors in their 40s. Krasinski worked as a cameo, but I doubt he'll show up as the main MCU Reed Ricards.

Nothing against middle aged actors playing superheroes, RDJ was 42-43 in the first Iron Man, but I don't see the FF starting out their careers probably already having their kids. That isn't to say I think they'll be super young actors either, but late 20s feels like the oldest they'd go with the FF if they're planning to have them start their FF career on screen, with Johnny obviously being the youngest (but probably out of High School), Sue maybe a few years younger then Reed (although hopefully not as young as some weird stories portrayed), and ben either being Reed's age or maybe a year or two older.

That's just my feeling based on the MCU main universe FF starting at the beginning of their superhero journey, I could be completely wrong but it makes more sense to me then them starting out a bit later in life, especially if Feige wants to use them for awhile.
 
In the comics, Reed is significantly older than Sue and Johnny--an age difference that would have been appropriate in the sixties. Ben was Reed's age. Those age differences have been blurred in the intervening years, I believe. It would be reasonable to start the FF with Ben and Reed in their early 40's and Sue and Johnny in their early thirties.
 
I’d rather Daredevil was a movie. He’s better than some silly Disney Plus tv show
It's just the climate we are in now. Probably we will see this happen more and more with big heroes. Same with DC once they get around to pulling their finger out of their ear and doing the green lantern series.
 
Keep in mind that the Netflix shows were pretty low budget, mainly because of Jeph Loeb's skinflint ways (probably Perlmutter's orders).

That's what made them special in a very positive way.

With proper Disney + money, we'll get more actual superhero stuff in these continuations.

I hope not, I really liked how they were more down to earth.


Compared to the Netflix shows, the Disney+ shows are silly and for kids up to 12. They are more Disney than Marvel.
 
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It's just the climate we are in now. Probably we will see this happen more and more with big heroes. Same with DC once they get around to pulling their finger out of their ear and doing the green lantern series.
Considering the current state of the green lantern, I don’t know if I want a show now.
 
In the comics, Reed is significantly older than Sue and Johnny--an age difference that would have been appropriate in the sixties. Ben was Reed's age. Those age differences have been blurred in the intervening years, I believe. It would be reasonable to start the FF with Ben and Reed in their early 40's and Sue and Johnny in their early thirties.

Thats been at least soft retconned with Marvel Comics sliding timescale, Reed is older but (as of a 2013 issue)
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Fantastic_Four_Vol_4_4

This story states that Reed moved into Marygay's home while Sue Storm was in her late teens. This refutes previous recountings in Fantastic Four #291 and Fantastic Four #543 that state that Sue was only 12 years old when she first met Reed. In the letter page from Fantastic Four (Vol. 4) #9, Tom Brevoort explains that they changed Sue's age because having a college-aged male falling in love with a pre-teen was inappropriate. However, this creates some issues with continuity, namely regarding Sue's physical age:
  • In 4 #1 Sue states that she was 21 years old when she first went into space in Fantastic Four #1 and (at the time of the story in 4 #1) she was thirty. Based on the measurement of time per the Sliding Timescale of Earth-616, Sue would be roughly 32 years old at the time of this story.
  • Meanwhile, per Fantastic Four #605, at the time of this story Reed is roughly 50 years old per the Sliding Timescale. This would make Reed about 38 years old around the time of Fantastic Four #1.
  • By the original version of Reed and Sue's first meeting, nine years had passed from the time that Reed and Sue first met, making Reed 29 at the time.
  • Sue's actual age is not mentioned in this story, but she appears to be a young woman who is at least 19 years old. This drastically ages Sue making her 28 at the time of the space flight and closer to 40 at the time of this story.


  • So, regardless of her exact age (which could be older then you'd guess because of some inconsistencies), Sue Storm, in the 616 Canon, was at least a legal adult when she met Reed, which could lead to upwards of a 10 year age gap, but at least they were both adults.

    In the MCU, I doubt they'd go with that big a gap, and again the MCU probably wants a FF they can use for a decade or more, assuming they have any interest in the FF crossing over and doing various stuff, which is why I think they'll go with a FF with actos closer to their 20s then their 40s.
 
Yeah. That’s for the b listers. Daredevil is a biggie.
That and I want a 4K steelbook of that one
Meh, at this point, I'm really starting to prefer TV shows over movies for all superheroes. The big budget spectacle of the movies is nice, but the shows are able to go into a lot more depth, and really dig deep into the characters and lore in a way that movies just can't.
The weird rumors/fan casting for the FF has been weird. Nothing against the people who have been rumored, but I would bet money that the FF, at least Reed and Sue/Johnny, aren't going to be played by actors in their 40s. Krasinski worked as a cameo, but I doubt he'll show up as the main MCU Reed Ricards.

Nothing against middle aged actors playing superheroes, RDJ was 42-43 in the first Iron Man, but I don't see the FF starting out their careers probably already having their kids. That isn't to say I think they'll be super young actors either, but late 20s feels like the oldest they'd go with the FF if they're planning to have them start their FF career on screen, with Johnny obviously being the youngest (but probably out of High School), Sue maybe a few years younger then Reed (although hopefully not as young as some weird stories portrayed), and ben either being Reed's age or maybe a year or two older.

That's just my feeling based on the MCU main universe FF starting at the beginning of their superhero journey, I could be completely wrong but it makes more sense to me then them starting out a bit later in life, especially if Feige wants to use them for awhile.
I'm really hoping they go with older versions of the characters with kids, I read Mark Miller's run a while back, and one of the things I really liked was that the FF are a family, and that's something we haven't really gotten in the MCU yet. I thinking having them as a family with Sue and Reed married, and with Frankling and Valeria already older could be a fun way to make them a bit more unique in the MCU.
My idea would be to have them come from another universe and something happens that they have to move to 616, so that way they could be older and established, but they don't need to come up with some kind of excuse for why they haven't been involved in any of the other movies.
 
That's a superb take in the Thor trailer of the original artwork of Falligar the Behemoth from God Of Thunder #3.

Nicely done !
 
Even setting aside the argument over different definitions of 'adult', the Punisher *should* be far more adult than almost any other Marvel character.
 
The Punisher was a creatively potent Marvel production and one of the best representations of one of their characters. Rare.
The general internet consensus is that everyone hated that show, but IMDB shows otherwise with a Marvel high 8.5.

EDIT: I was wrong. DD is even higher with 8.6.
 
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