• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

What if the Andorians and Humans made an alliance?

Snowdrop82

Commander
Red Shirt
Let's say that for this scenario the humans and Andorians form an alliance against common threats, and this falls into practice when there is a war between Andoria and Vulcan, leading the humans to rebel from the Vulcans because they've been 'held back' for so long, would such a thing even be possible?
 
When are you thinking the alliance would form? After the end of "The Andorian Incident" the Andorians want to form a formal alliance with the humans as a show of good faith? Or while humans are testing the warp 2 drive and there are probably a lot of people who agree with Archer that the Vulcans are holding the humans back? Or later in the show? Although Archer didn't like the Vulcans that much to begin with, he gets on pretty well with most people so I think if an alliance against Vulcans happened it would be behind Archer's back if it happened later in the show.
 
When are you thinking the alliance would form? After the end of "The Andorian Incident" the Andorians want to form a formal alliance with the humans as a show of good faith? Or while humans are testing the warp 2 drive and there are probably a lot of people who agree with Archer that the Vulcans are holding the humans back? Or later in the show? Although Archer didn't like the Vulcans that much to begin with, he gets on pretty well with most people so I think if an alliance against Vulcans happened it would be behind Archer's back if it happened later in the show.

Oh, oops, this is before the Federation formed, so it is before Enterprise, we can say?
 
What if, indeed…………..

6h9key.jpg
 
Earth could have "rebelled" from Vulcan at any point but wouldn't because Vulcan had been pretty decent for a hundred years. I don't think this scenario is likely at that point in time because no matter if people like Archer felt that Earth had been held back they still knew the Vulcans were still their allies and had Earth's best interests at heart.
Could Earth and Andor become allies against Vulcan in another scenario? If Andor had come to Earth before WWIII then maybe contact with aliens might have extinguished the flames of war and Andor could have thrown a bunch of propaganda about the pointy eared bastards only sixteen light years away. But I still say Earth wouldn't have gone in blindly committing itself to someone else's war, because that doesn't sound like us (NARRATOR: It sounded exactly like us) and even if we had a crap First Contact with Vulcans, like what happened in B5 with the Minbari, I think the Vulcans would have logically determined the best course of action was to first try to open up dialogue, otherwise they can later set phasers to kill. So maybe we shoot a bunch of their guys and they shoot a bunch of ours but we realise we were duped, in which maybe it drives us closer to the Vulcans in the end.
"The Tears of Eridanus" had an interesting timeline, where with no spacefaring Vulcans around Earth's first contact is with Andorians rescuing the S.S. Valiant, and Andor starts it's own space alliance called the Interstellar Union with Earth as a member world.
 
It would have been easier for humans to form an alliance with the Andorians in the immediate aftermath of the destruction of the Xindi superweapon than before the maiden launch of the NX-01.

The Vulcans were still good to humans, despite their prickish attitudes, in the years humans were breaking warp barriers. They allowed humans to get their feet wet in the early days of space exploration and develop a foundation for future missions in exchange for protecting humans from external threats. They were also allowing humans to participate in exchanges with other species to get used to future first contact missions. Dumping the Vulcans for the Andorians is both inconvenient and makes no sense here, even if the Vulcan were holding them back. Especially since the Andorians had no real allies of their own.

Now consider years later, when the Vulcans were nowhere to be seen during the entire Xindi crisis. They didn’t even try to recover their people from the Seleya themselves. Its doesn’t really matter if the Vulcans were afraid of the Delphic Expanse, or if members of the Vulcan government were secretly in contact with Romulans and were influenced to stay home and not participate. To humans, it comes off as abandonment and cowardly on their part after nearly a century of working together. That’s when it would have been opportune to end the partnership and ally with Andoria, as the behaviour from Vulcan at this time comes off as the Vulcans not really caring if Earth gets destroyed after all. Why remain in an alliance with an ally like that? And since Earth had come into contact with more species in just a few years, they had a wider pool to draw from for support to build up a human-Andorian alliance.
 
Let's say that for this scenario the humans and Andorians form an alliance against common threats, and this falls into practice when there is a war between Andoria and Vulcan, leading the humans to rebel from the Vulcans because they've been 'held back' for so long, would such a thing even be possible?

Maybe it will be in the next reboot of the franchise
 
I have never bought the idea that the Vulcans were advanced so far ahead of humans.

In the literature (admittedly non-canon) of the pre-TNG era, the Vulcans were acknowledged as having only obtained basic warp drive a few decades before official first contact in 2065 (vs 2061 as portrayed in First Contact). Vulcan's top warp speeds were around 2-3, IIRC, since it was all pre-dilithium, which later resulted in ships capable of speeds better than Warp 6 or better.

I think mankind's first real alliance would have been with Alpha Centauri, a mere 4 light years away. After that would come the Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites. The problem is that the Enterprise showrunners were too caught up in the TNG era of established Trek to look back that far and really go back to basics in terms of mankind's initial first contacts. The original idea that while Zephram Cochrane was the human inventor of warp drive, some of the other nearby species already had early versions of it as well, but not anything much better than what Cochrane had come up with.

I'm currently re-reading Strangers From the Sky, and enjoying it as much as the first time I read it back in 1989.
 
Last edited:
Inasmuch as answering the question in the OP, by combining elements of the novels Strangers in the Sky, The Final Reflection, and Federation, and rew-writing some of the canon of Enterprise, this is how I see history unfolding:

2045 Unofficial first contact is made between humans and Vulcans when a Vulcan scoutship
crashes on Earth.

2050 The first round of world-wide conflicts between the eastern alliance and other Terran
powers, recorded as WWIII.

2061 Zephram Cochrane's automated test probe breaks the light barrier, heralding the
invention of Warp Drive.

2063-64 Zephram Cochrane makes the first, round-trip journey to Alpha Centauri, completing the trip in four months. He returns to Christopher's Landing on Titan, where he is met by his chief financial backer, the mysterious Micah Brack.

2065 The Earth ship Amity rescues a disabled Vulcan scoutcraft, marking official first contact between Earth and Vulcan. Historians disagree on whether the Vulcan ship was actually disabled, or whether this was an 'exaggeration' by the Vulcans in order to facilitate the meeting. The Vulcans had monitored Zephram Cochrane's warp tests, and realized that a controlled meeting was better than a chance encounter in a Vulcan-colonized star system.

2068 Formal diplomatic relations are established between Earth and Vulcan. Shortly after this, Zephram Cochrane shares all of his knowledge and theory on warp drive (then known as ‘superimpellor’ technology) with the Vulcans, who have long had vessels capable of sustaining speeds slightly better than warp 3.

2078 The Optimum Movement achieves the height of its power on Earth, under the leadership of Adrik Thorsen. WWIII is briefly rekindled. Vulcan temporarily withdraws it's ambassadors from Earth. 37 million Terrans are killed.

2079 The post-atomic horror reigns over vast regions of Earth, as experienced by Picard under the influence of Q. However, by this humans have established colonies on Alpha Centauri and several other planets, and human colonists have departed the Solar System for Terra Nova in ships converted to warp vessels. Established Earth colonies render vital aid that allows Earth
to recover more quickly from these wars than would otherwise have been possible.

2080-2110 Earth recovers from WWIII and rises from the ashes of the Optimum Movement. Vulcan ambassadors and advisors return to Earth, and humanity, having come to understand that it isn't alone in the universe, comes together like never before in Human history. The United Earth Government is established, under a heavily modified version of the old United Nations Charter.

2110 The United Earth Space Probe Agency, UESPA, is established as the space-going exploration and military arm of the United Earth Government.

2111 Jonathon Archer is born on Earth.

2119 Zephram Cochrane files a flight plan from his home on Alpha Centauri to Stapledon Center at Wolf 359, then disappears without a trace. He is 87 years old at the time. On Earth as well as Alpha Centauri, a massive research project is underway to improve the velocities attainable with warp drive.

2151 The UESPA Starship Discovery, NX-01, launches from Earth on a mission of peaceful exploration under the command of Captain Jonathon Archer. This follows years of attempts by skittish Vulcans (who vividly remember WWIII and the Optimum Movement) to discourage mankind from rapid expansion and exploration. Discovery cruises at warp 4, with an emergency speed of warp 4.8. This is the maximum speed attainable until the discovery of the power focus and the power focus and channeling effects of dilithium, which is still many years away.

2151-2152 The first year of Discovery's mission included many ground breaking events, including:
Suspected first contact with the Orion Pirates. (Fight or Flight)
First contact with the Rigellians.
Re-establishment of communications with the lost colony of Terra Nova.
Numerous surveys of Class- M worlds, resulting in several cases of 'trial and error.'
Rendering aid and assistance to older 'Boomer' ships plying established routes at low warp.
Communications specialist Hoshi Sato begins preliminary work on a computerized translation device.

2152-2153 The second year of Discovery's mission, which included:
First contact with the Tellarites and Andorians.
Transport of ambassadors to Andor and Tellar.
More encounters with suspected Orion Pirates, resulting in armed engagements with no face to face contact.
Discovery rescues alien astronauts from Valakis, a pre-warp culture. They have journeyed into space seeking a cure for a plague that is decimating their population. Subsequent events force Captain Archer to make hard ethical and moral choices.
UESPA Command, upon reviewing the logs of Captain Archer and Doctor Phlox, begins to broach the subject of the necessity of 'non-interference' policies when dealing with less-advanced cultures.
First contact with the humanoid Tandarans.
Discovery is present over an Andorian colony when it is mysteriously destroyed in a tremendous blast. Nearby Andorian ships respond, and accuse Earth of being in Collusion with Tellar. They fire on Discovery, forcing her to withdraw. Both sides prepare
for war.

2153-2154 The third year of Discovery's mission, which included:
War between Earth and Andor is averted by clever detective work from Captain Archer and his crew, as well as the calming influence of Vulcan diplomats. However, a third, heretofore unknown force is determined responsible for the massacre, presenting a new mystery.
A long-standing (but rare) territorial dispute between Vulcan and Andor is defused when the Andorian Shran requests the intervention of Captain Archer for a negotiated settlement. This, combined with Archer's work in proving Earth's innocence in the destruction of the Andorian colony, coupled with the diplomatic efforts of Earth's ambassadors on Tellar and Andor, show an emerging pattern of human efforts serving to dampen hostilities in 'local' space.

2154 UESPA Starships Columbia and Magellan are launched. In addition, smaller UESPA vessels as well as some privately owned interstellar ships are beginning to mount warp 4 engine technology. Interstellar business booms as freebooters race to intercept Boomers' with technology upgrades to sell, shaving years off journeys these ships are caught in the middle of.
Off-Earth colonization sees a marked increase, and a "second wave" of colonists departs for Terra Nova, now that the planet has been verified as still hospitable. This results in trouble later.

2154 The first confirmed, face-to-face contact with the Orions occurs. Within the next three years, and from that time forward, the interaction will become widespread. Orion activities, which include slave-trading and the exploitation of pre-warp cultures, are seen as extremely problematic by UESPA and the Vulcan High Command. However, at present, there are not enough resources available to adequately combat the problem. UESPA opens channels to the Andorians and Tellarites, asking for a cooperative effort in dealing with Orion Piracy. Both agree, but these efforts are hindered by their hostilitytoward one another.

2154-2155 Fourth year of Discovery's mission, which included:
UESPA Starships Valiant, Balboa and Argo are launched. Valiant is a deep space exploration mission launched toward the 'upper' edge of the galactic disk, tasked to research strange energy emissions from a barrier-like wavefront. She is never heard from again.
Several UESPA and civil vessels are lost along the boundary of explored space in the direction of the Romulan Star Empire. After several harrowing encounters carried out by Discovery and Magellan, UESPA becomes aware of the Romulan presence, although no face to face contact takes place.
Captain Archer, now hailed as statesman as well as explorer, begins broaching the subject of a binding alliance between Earth, Andor, Tellar, Vulcan, and their respective colonies.

2156 The Earth-Romulan wars begin with the destruction of the Starship Balboa. UESPA begins mass-producing warships and Terra switches over to a wartime footing.

2156-2160 The Earth-Romulan wars continue with great loss of life on either side. Neither side succeeds in making substantial gains in the others' space. The Romulans possess ferocity and superior weapons, but they are hampered by the fact that their starships are much slower than their UESPA counterparts.

2160 The Romulans suffer a terrible defeat at the Battle of Cheron. They agree to an armistice, and the treaty of Algeron establishes the Neutral Zone. Even though hostilities have ceased, neither side has had face to face contact with the other.

2161 The UFP is founded. UESPA is dissolved in lieu of Starfleet, a new Federation organization tasked with the defense and exploration of Federation space and the UFP Treaty Exploration Territory. All UESPA starships are refitted as Starfleet vessels, and a new class, the Daedalus, begins its trial runs.

2167 The USS Archon is lost with all hands.

2168 The USS Horizon inexplicably lost after departing Dana Iotia 2.

2200 The Klingon Empire takes its first Federation prize. While Vulcan is aware of the existence of the Klingon Empire, the Federation at large is not. Official first contact will not occur for another 11 years.

2211 First contact with the Klingon Empire occurs with the ill-fated encounter between the USS Sentry and IKV Devisor.

2217 USS Valiant is lost with all hands at Eminiar VII.

2221 USS Flying Fortress is attacked and destroyed by the Klingons.

2233 Dr. Emanuelle Tagore becomes the first Federation ambassador to the Klingon Empire.

2239 The infamous 'Dissolution Babel' conference- the last Federation Babel conference to be held on Earth. The Back-To-Earth movement is defeated and the Federation is preserved in its current form, thanks to the efforts of Admiral Shepherd and Carter Winston. Dr. Tagore attends this conference. At this time, the power channeling effects of dilithium become known to Federation
engineers. The Klingons had recently achieved the same breakthrough from a subjugated race, the Willal. A new generation of starships goes on the drawing board- ships that will be capable of speeds in excess of warp 6. In the Federation, the 'Materializer' (later known as the transporter) is certified safe for sentient use.

2244 Design and construction begins on the Constitution Class Starship.

2252 Start of the 4 Years War between the Klingon Empire and the Federation.

2256 End of the 4 years war and establishment of the Axanar Peace Mission. Phasers and photon torpedoes replace lasers and accelerator cannon weapons aboard all Federation vessels.

2264 Captain Kirk begins his five year mission as commanding officer of the USS Enterprise.

2269 Enterprise returns from her first 5 year mission.
 
Do we have a whole lot of evidence that Earth Starfleet would toss a decent relationship out with the Vulcans, which is what this would effectively do?

Sure, Archer spent four years bitching about Vulcans because blah blah Daddy Issues, but I never got the impression the rest of Earth Starfleet shared his capacity to be that dumb.
 
It would have been easier for humans to form an alliance with the Andorians in the immediate aftermath of the destruction of the Xindi superweapon than before the maiden launch of the NX-01.

The Vulcans were still good to humans, despite their prickish attitudes, in the years humans were breaking warp barriers. They allowed humans to get their feet wet in the early days of space exploration and develop a foundation for future missions in exchange for protecting humans from external threats. They were also allowing humans to participate in exchanges with other species to get used to future first contact missions. Dumping the Vulcans for the Andorians is both inconvenient and makes no sense here, even if the Vulcan were holding them back. Especially since the Andorians had no real allies of their own.

Now consider years later, when the Vulcans were nowhere to be seen during the entire Xindi crisis. They didn’t even try to recover their people from the Seleya themselves. Its doesn’t really matter if the Vulcans were afraid of the Delphic Expanse, or if members of the Vulcan government were secretly in contact with Romulans and were influenced to stay home and not participate. To humans, it comes off as abandonment and cowardly on their part after nearly a century of working together. That’s when it would have been opportune to end the partnership and ally with Andoria, as the behaviour from Vulcan at this time comes off as the Vulcans not really caring if Earth gets destroyed after all. Why remain in an alliance with an ally like that? And since Earth had come into contact with more species in just a few years, they had a wider pool to draw from for support to build up a human-Andorian alliance.
I think the Season 4 revelation that the Vulcans were being manipulated by the Romulans and their leader was a complete dick actually gives some justification why the Vulcans didn't get involved. Maybe the Vulcans were all good and were great mates with Earth for like fifty years after First Contact and then they went to shit when whatsisface became their leader. Maybe if they weren't being manipulated they would have come along for the ride too. They wouldn't have, because the plot didn't want them to, but it would have been nice to offer.
I was just thinking it would have been wild if the first attack on Earth by the Xindi had galvanised the Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites to put aside their differences and form a coalition of the willing with Earth to go hunt down the Xindi and destroy their massive weapon of destruction. An alliance forged in blood instead of peace? I wonder what that would have looked like.
 
I was just thinking it would have been wild if the first attack on Earth by the Xindi had galvanised the Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites to put aside their differences and form a coalition of the willing with Earth to go hunt down the Xindi and destroy their massive weapon of destruction. An alliance forged in blood instead of peace? I wonder what that would have looked like.

First, they’d have to address the Vulcans coming into contact with trellium-D. At best, there are a bunch of addicts that struggle to control their emotions like T’Pol. At worst, they turn out like the Selaya crew - go insane and remain adrift - or the Vaankara crew - where they murder each other and self destruct their vessels.

Then the Andorians would still try and steal the prototype. Even if the Andorians continued to tag along, there would be trust issues from that.

I also think that the tactics taken would be very different, with the alliance being polarized at times.

The Andorians would likely back Reed in wanting to destroy the kemocite facility, and the Vulcans backing Archer’s approach in learning the weapon’s location and convincing Grallik to sabotage the prototype.

The Vulcans would either choose to mind meld with Degra to know the location of the superweapon – thus not needing to deceive Degra in “Stratagem” - or they resist melding as its considered taboo to do so and cause friction among the alliance.

The Tellarites might choose to argue with Gralik and Degra, instead of allowing Archer to gather information and gain their trust. And they try to argue with Dolim, and one of them gets stabbed in place of Degra.

On one hand, Archer might not need to torture and pirate; his ship is protected from Osaarian pirates, and his allies should be able to spare a warp coil so that he doesn’t have to raid and strand any vessels. On the other hand, he might choose to do so anyways due to the urgancy of the mission and that causes division among the alliance; at least the Andorians seem okay with torture.

And Enterprise might not have been shot to pieces in the Battle of Azati Prime, and Earth might have been better defended when the Xindi finally came to Earth.

Having said all of that, there are still lingering questions surrounding an alliance that goes after the Xindi.

I do wonder how the alliance would have handled the Skagaarans and the fanatical Triannon. Or Hoshi’s friend Tarquin if he refused to let her leave. Or the appearance of the E2 crew. Or various ongoing drama between the MACOs and Starfleet.

I also wonder if the Xindi would have expanded their bioweapon plan to the other three species. And if by doing so, this makes the Vulcan, Andorians and Tellarites became active players in the TCW.

And I do wonder how the “Twilight” timeline would have turned out under this alliance, since the Xindi in the original "Twilight" timeline wiped out most of the humans and showed no interest in any other species and their allies/client planets. And the humans survivors were already receiving minor aid from the Andorians, namely General Shran. I’d imagine that a much larger decade long conflict would be quite devastating for the quadrant.
 
First, they’d have to address the Vulcans coming into contact with trellium-D. At best, there are a bunch of addicts that struggle to control their emotions like T’Pol. At worst, they turn out like the Selaya crew - go insane and remain adrift - or the Vaankara crew - where they murder each other and self destruct their vessels.

Then the Andorians would still try and steal the prototype. Even if the Andorians continued to tag along, there would be trust issues from that.

I also think that the tactics taken would be very different, with the alliance being polarized at times.

The Andorians would likely back Reed in wanting to destroy the kemocite facility, and the Vulcans backing Archer’s approach in learning the weapon’s location and convincing Grallik to sabotage the prototype.

The Vulcans would either choose to mind meld with Degra to know the location of the superweapon – thus not needing to deceive Degra in “Stratagem” - or they resist melding as its considered taboo to do so and cause friction among the alliance.

The Tellarites might choose to argue with Gralik and Degra, instead of allowing Archer to gather information and gain their trust. And they try to argue with Dolim, and one of them gets stabbed in place of Degra.

On one hand, Archer might not need to torture and pirate; his ship is protected from Osaarian pirates, and his allies should be able to spare a warp coil so that he doesn’t have to raid and strand any vessels. On the other hand, he might choose to do so anyways due to the urgancy of the mission and that causes division among the alliance; at least the Andorians seem okay with torture.

And Enterprise might not have been shot to pieces in the Battle of Azati Prime, and Earth might have been better defended when the Xindi finally came to Earth.

Having said all of that, there are still lingering questions surrounding an alliance that goes after the Xindi.

I do wonder how the alliance would have handled the Skagaarans and the fanatical Triannon. Or Hoshi’s friend Tarquin if he refused to let her leave. Or the appearance of the E2 crew. Or various ongoing drama between the MACOs and Starfleet.

I also wonder if the Xindi would have expanded their bioweapon plan to the other three species. And if by doing so, this makes the Vulcan, Andorians and Tellarites became active players in the TCW.

And I do wonder how the “Twilight” timeline would have turned out under this alliance, since the Xindi in the original "Twilight" timeline wiped out most of the humans and showed no interest in any other species and their allies/client planets. And the humans survivors were already receiving minor aid from the Andorians, namely General Shran. I’d imagine that a much larger decade long conflict would be quite devastating for the quadrant.
Thanks! That was an awesome write up!
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top