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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

JD said:
With actors playing friends, you can put people together and they can convincingly play friends, but there's still not going to be the same as people who are really friends off screen. It's the difference between being convincing, and being authentic.
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I dunno. I've seen actors display convincingly heartwarming friendship or romantic chemistry onscreen and been surprised to find out they couldn't stand each other in real life. If you can tell it isn't authentic, then by definition it isn't convincing.
 
JD said:
You took the words right out of my mouth, or about half of them since I was only going to mention the Guardians.
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The Guardians--to anyone who knows--did not have its origins as a silly concept in a terrible cartoon. The Wonder Twins are forever anchored to their best-known version, which is not on the "must see" list of anyone.


Sorry to go back to such an old conversation, but this got kind of overrun by other stuff, and I also came up with an analogy to help explain my position. You can throw some boots on a person, throw them in the saddle, and teach them to ride in a few days, and they can ride onscreen, but it's still not going to be the same as someone who has spent half their time on a horse since they were 5 years old. With actors playing friends, you can put people together and they can convincingly play friends, but there's still not going to be the same as people who are really friends off screen. It's the difference between being convincing, and being authentic.
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Your premise simply makes no sense, particularly when there are numerous examples of the opposite (some I've referred to in this thread) and the on-screen relationship was as believable as it needed to be in many great films.

You seem to be feeding off of the idea that the MCU actors are some flowing river of behavior/relationships from real person to character. You are looking at people choosing to sell you an idea, not the intimate details of how one performer feels about another, and again, no matter what actors feel about the other, it has no bearing on truly talented professionals' ability to sell believable characters / relationships. Film history is not on your side about that.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
The Wonder Twins are forever anchored to their best-known version
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Until they're not. "Forever" in the entertainment industry isn't that long of a time.

What percentage of the movie going audience even knows this? And what percentage of the movie going audience that DOES know this even care?

Besides which, that has absolutely zero bearings on the quality (or lack thereof) of the execution of a movie. As a comic fan, I'm surprised at some of the closed minded responses here.
 
Christopher said:
I dunno. I've seen actors display convincingly heartwarming friendship or romantic chemistry onscreen and been surprised to find out they couldn't stand each other in real life. If you can tell it isn't authentic, then by definition it isn't convincing.
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yep - See the production history of the Andy Griffith Show as an example.

Andy Griffith and Frances Bavier (Aunt Bee) disliked each other intensely - but you would never be able to tell that on the screen in their performances.
 
Noname Given said:
yep - See the production history of the Andy Griffith Show as an example.

Andy Griffith and Frances Bavier (Aunt Bee) disliked each other intensely - but you would never be able to tell that on the screen in their performances.
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And Rock Hudson was able to build a successful career as a romantic lead that women swooned over despite being secretly gay. And he wasn't the only one.
 
I am getting worried about the Rock's social media posts about Black Adam. He keep talking about how the character speaks to him and how we is the ultimate anti-hero. Most versions of black Adam have very little hero, and have a whole lot of villain... Well developed villain, but villain nonetheless.

I mean he waged war on the world, and killed millions...
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
The Guardians--to anyone who knows--did not have its origins as a silly concept in a terrible cartoon. The Wonder Twins are forever anchored to their best-known version, which is not on the "must see" list of anyone.
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So? There are a lot of shows and movies that have taken something that wasn't very good, and done a new version that ended up being great. Just look at Battlestar Galactica, it started as a fairly cheesy '70s show, and got a reboot that ended up being one of the best shows of the last couple decades (at least for a while).


[/QUOTE]Your premise simply makes no sense, particularly when there are numerous examples of the opposite (some I've referred to in this thread) and the on-screen relationship was as believable as it needed to be in many great films.

You seem to be feeding off of the idea that the MCU actors are some flowing river of behavior/relationships from real person to character. You are looking at people choosing to sell you an idea, not the intimate details of how one performer feels about another, and again, no matter what actors feel about the other, it has no bearing on truly talented professionals' ability to sell believable characters / relationships. Film history is not on your side about that.[/QUOTE]
I'm kind of starting to feel like people aren't actually reading what I'm writing. I never said people who aren't friends can't play characters who are, all I said is that it is BETTER, when they are. There's just always a little something extra that you get when people have the same kind off screen that their characters do onscreen.
Again, just saying IT'S BETTER, B-E-T-T-E-R, not that it is the only way they can do it.
To go back to my horseback riding example, there are just certain ways that experienced riders move and communicate with a horse, that you won't have with a less experienced rider. The less experienced rider can still do what they need to do onscreen, but they just won't have those subtle little things the more experienced rider will.
And I really wasn't even think of the MCU cast members at all, I was actually thinking more about the TNG cast, and NCIS LA's Daniela Ruah and Erik Christian Olsen, who play a married couple on the show, and are close friends real life. She's actually married to his brother, and their families hang out together, and even go on vacations and things like that together.
 
JD said:
I never said people who aren't friends can't play characters who are, all I said is that it is BETTER, when they are. There's just always a little something extra that you get when people have the same kind off screen that their characters do onscreen.
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I think that's underestimating what talented actors are capable of.

Conversely, I think I've even heard of cases where two people who had a real-life close relationship had no onscreen chemistry and were totally unconvincing when playing an equivalent relationship. What they felt for each other in real life just didn't translate to how they performed together, because performing is not real life, just an illusion thereof.


JD said:
To go back to my horseback riding example, there are just certain ways that experienced riders move and communicate with a horse, that you won't have with a less experienced rider. The less experienced rider can still do what they need to do onscreen, but they just won't have those subtle little things the more experienced rider will.
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Now, there I'm more inclined to agree with you. I'm always impressed by William Shatner's equestrian skill in that part in Star Trek Generations where Kirk sidles his horse closer to Picard with no evident signal, as if the horse just psychically senses what he wants. It's like the horse's movement is part of Shatner's performance -- "be one with the horse" indeed.
 
Oh yeah, a lot of that kind of stuff is a lot more subtle than non-horse people think.
 
Christopher said:
Now, there I'm more inclined to agree with you. I'm always impressed by William Shatner's equestrian skill in that part in Star Trek Generations where Kirk sidles his horse closer to Picard with no evident signal, as if the horse just psychically senses what he wants. It's like the horse's movement is part of Shatner's performance -- "be one with the horse" indeed.
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It didn't hurt that it was Shatner's own horse either. It was obvious that he had a relationship and had probably ridden it many times.
 
I didn't realize that was his horse. That definitely makes a big difference when it comes to how them and the rider communicate.
 
I hope the spin-off-off allows Waller to finally develop the complexity and ambiguity she has in the comics and animation. Both her movie appearances in the DCEU have reduced her to a one-note villain, and her counterpart on Arrow tended to be as well.
 
Christopher said:
I dunno. I've seen actors display convincingly heartwarming friendship or romantic chemistry onscreen and been surprised to find out they couldn't stand each other in real life. If you can tell it isn't authentic, then by definition it isn't convincing.
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Yeah, and a lot of the time that’s in promotional tour interviews! There are also others who are best friends in real life but who have zero chemistry on screen.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
The Guardians--to anyone who knows--did not have its origins as a silly concept in a terrible cartoon. The Wonder Twins are forever anchored to their best-known version, which is not on the "must see" list of anyone.
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By that Logic, Aquaman is an eternal loser.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Next to no one is asking for a movie based on comedy relief characters from a poor 70s cartoon.
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Seriously. Asking for a Wonder Twins movie is like asking for the C squad to hit the court when the starting lineup hasn't played yet. Guardians of the Galaxy didn't get released until after three Ironmans. two Thors, two Captain Americas, an Incredible Hulk and an Avenger movie. And if Marvel had the rights to Spiderman, X-men and Fantastic four from the beginning you wouldn't have seen a Guardians of the Galaxy movie until MUCH later. Probably around Phase 3 or 4. Wake me when Superman, the Flash, Green Lantern, Green Arrow and Cyborg have all had multiple movies and a new Justice League has been established. Then we can talk about shining a light on obscure characters that most people have never heard of.
 
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