Spoilers Captain Archer's Response in Cogenitor

[Dryson]

Captain Archer's place was aboard the Enterprise, not galavanting into the middle of the star on an expedition with the newly discovered alien species.

Archer left his post as Captain and not only put his own life at risk, he also put the lives of the crew of Enterprise at risk. Not to mention that Archers actions put Starfleet security at risk if the new aliens suddenly became hostile and took Archer hostage.

Because of Archers, galavanting, one of the aliens died as a result of the Cogenitor wanting asylym. The newly discovered alien species could have attacked the NX-01 for getting involved which would been Archers fault once again.

If Archer had followed first contact protocol, the Cogenitor could have gone directly to Archer to make the plea for asylum.

Archer failed the Cogenitor, Starfleet, his ship and his crew but more importantly, Archer failed the captains chair because of his greed.

If memory serves, Archer did not have any communication with the NX-01, which, if I remember correctly, a captain is required to maintain comm check ins at regular intervals.

But I could be wrong.

 

[Farscape One]

Archer was contuining a first contact that was on good terms. He did not 'abandon' his post. T'Pol was senior officer of the ship while Archer was continuing good relations with the captain of the Vissians.

We've seen this done before. In "Liaisons", Picard goes to spend days with the Iyaarans, while Riker was in command of the ship. He was acting as an ambassador of the Federation, just like Archer was acting as an ambassador for humans.

Also, the maintaining contact protocol wasn't in place at this time. Plus, he couldn't contact the ship due to the star's interference. Archer made a judgment call that he was safe with the Vissian captain, and he was right.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Captain Archer's place was aboard the Enterprise, not galavanting into the middle of the star on an expedition with the newly discovered alien species.

Archer left his post as Captain and not only put his own life at risk, he also put the lives of the crew of Enterprise at risk. Not to mention that Archers actions put Starfleet security at risk if the new aliens suddenly became hostile and took Archer hostage.

Because of Archers, galavanting, one of the aliens died as a result of the Cogenitor wanting asylym. The newly discovered alien species could have attacked the NX-01 for getting involved which would been Archers fault once again.

If Archer had followed first contact protocol, the Cogenitor could have gone directly to Archer to make the plea for asylum.

Archer failed the Cogenitor, Starfleet, his ship and his crew but more importantly, Archer failed the captains chair because of his greed.

If memory serves, Archer did not have any communication with the NX-01, which, if I remember correctly, a captain is required to maintain comm check ins at regular intervals.

But I could be wrong.

Archer had a sex weekend.

Beyond the mind blowing orgasms, there was not much to think about.

 

[Yugo]

Just to preface, this is the first episode of Enterprise I’ve ever seen. I’m looking for another Trek after cycling thru all 7 seasons of Next Generation 4 times then DS9 3 times. Both have set a really high bar.
I haven’t been able to sit for 15 minutes of any of half a dozen Voyager episodes that I have tried watching because I find the characters either fairly vacuous or completely annoying.
So I’m giving Enterprise a whirl.

I feel like I watched a good episode of Star Trek tonight. It had a nice measure of science kitsch, some campy bits of romantic allure, a moral challenge, and most importantly, what I thought was a flash of determined captaincy in the vein of Picard and Sisko.
I was rooting for Trip to have a breakthrough with the cogenitor all the while knowing he was really going rogue, and waiting for him to get busted. I like this character. He’s entertaining.
When Archer called him in at the end what I thought he was saying was that, ‘yes Trip, that was bad and you alone are responsible. But as Captain, I am responsible for your lack of discipline because I haven’t commanded successfully’. Something in Archer was severely disappointed in Archer.
It was absolutely the only reaction a captain could have had, maybe there’s self doubt and vulnerability there. It was kinda dark.
The asylum/ not asylum dilemma was skimmed over a bid, but in 48 minutes there’s a shorthand in every plot. It happens all the time.
It made me want to continue watching the show.

 

[Summer Solstice]

Just to preface, this is the first episode of Enterprise I’ve ever seen. I’m looking for another Trek after cycling thru all 7 seasons of Next Generation 4 times then DS9 3 times. Both have set a really high bar.
I haven’t been able to sit for 15 minutes of any of half a dozen Voyager episodes that I have tried watching because I find the characters either fairly vacuous or completely annoying.
So I’m giving Enterprise a whirl.

I feel like I watched a good episode of Star Trek tonight. It had a nice measure of science kitsch, some campy bits of romantic allure, a moral challenge, and most importantly, what I thought was a flash of determined captaincy in the vein of Picard and Sisko.
I was rooting for Trip to have a breakthrough with the cogenitor all the while knowing he was really going rogue, and waiting for him to get busted. I like this character. He’s entertaining.
When Archer called him in at the end what I thought he was saying was that, ‘yes Trip, that was bad and you alone are responsible. But as Captain, I am responsible for your lack of discipline because I haven’t commanded successfully’. Something in Archer was severely disappointed in Archer.
It was absolutely the only reaction a captain could have had, maybe there’s self doubt and vulnerability there. It was kinda dark.
The asylum/ not asylum dilemma was skimmed over a bid, but in 48 minutes there’s a shorthand in every plot. It happens all the time.
It made me want to continue watching the show.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Trip gets a lot of screentime and character development across all the seasons. Archer is a very different captain to Picard and Sisko but I think that's partly because he didn't go to Starfleet Academy like they did and he can't look at the records of what other Starfleet captains did in tricky situations and learn from them - he really is on his own.

 

[Reanok]

Trip got really great character developement through all four seasons of Enterprise he got good stories throughout the series. He and T'pol were 2 of my favorite characters .

 

[DonIago]

If anything, it could probably be argued that Trip got too much character development, in the sense that it came at the expense of other characters.

It's been awhile since I've seen the series, so I'm not saying that's how I feel, but my recollection is that I felt Reed and Hoshi in particular got sidelined.

 

[Oddish]

And Mayweather made even those two look nicely developed.

 

[DonIago]

Who?

 

[Oddish]

Uhhh... I dunno.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

You guys are so mean!



Mayweather did have a few nice plotlines. But not enough. The show needed 7 seasons for the neglected supporting cast to have more moments in the sun.

 

[Oddish]

Just because I joke about a character being neglected doesn't mean I approve. Mayweather deserved better than he got.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Anthony Montgomery played Ben Vereen's son on B-Positive early this year, who was Geordie's dad on TNG, therefore Travis and Geordie are brothers.

 

[Oddish]

Born 200 years apart? Neat trick...

 

[Charles Phipps]

I pretty much drew a one to one line of this episode of women under the Taliban and The Handmaid's Tale.

Which...does not paint Archer well.

 

[Oddish]

Archer and others yakked repeatedly about the Vissian "culture" and how Trip had no right to interfere. Well, if a person would rather die than submit to their "proper" place in their culture, that culture is pretty toxic.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Well, if a person would rather die than submit to their "proper" place in their culture, that culture is pretty toxic.

So what makes you right and the Vissians wrong? Who gave you the right to judge them?

If Trip hadn't stuck his nose in where it didn't belong, Charles would not have died. It's as simple as that.

 

[Oddish]

Charles died because of the actions of two parties. One party was the person who made her aware that she was being treated cruelly. The other party was the people who actually treated her cruelly. I happen to believe that the latter are guiltier than the former.

 

[DonIago]

It's been awhile since I've seen the episode, but is there really any evidence that the Vissians treated the cogenitors cruelly versus just being largely indifferent to them?

And let's remember that the cogenitors were needed for the survival of the civilization.

If ants were essential to the survival of humanity, does anyone think we'd start treating them better? And how would anyone react if a bunch of aliens showed up one day and one of them said, "Hey, you're abusing your ants!!!"

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

is there really any evidence that the Vissians treated the cogenitors cruelly

No.