Spoilers Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness grade and discussion thread

They've been using that designation in the comics for years. Plus he has no control over it.

 

Alan Moore is never happy.

 

Even in 616 it wasn’t real. It’s what caused her to have her breakdown and create the House of M.

 

Bendis fucked up and ignored everything happening in Young Avengers.

The kids had been reincarnated. They were fine.

It was actually Quicksilver who brainwashed depressed Wanda into creating the House of M.

Daddy issues.

 

I would as well. Not a fan of the Young Avengers.
Quicksilver would have been a fun one to bring back. I bet that would have given Wanda some pause if he was around in the alternate Earth.

 

Wanda didn't just want kids - she wanted HER kids (which she had for a few weeks) back.

Saw it today. Liked it quite a bit. As an FF fan, LOVED seeing Reed Richards in a very classic themed FF costume too.

 

There’s now two 616 universes. The MU (comics) and MCU (aka 19999). I can attribute this the the Illuminati universe using their own numbering system and/or being unaware of the other one.

 

Dr Doom and the Scarlet Witch were engaged.

Wanda VonDoom.

Doesn't that just give you chills?

Magneto would be Victor's father-in-law.

Read some bullshit (on wikipedia) about the Maximoff twins not being mutants or inhumans, but that they were "made" on Wungador Mountain, which is sketchy, since were they made on the mountain by the animal hybrid Knights, or where they made on the mountain by the High Evolutionary who was trying to one up the Celestials and the Kree?

"Sigh"

 

I’m aware that they weren’t originally Magneto’s children and they’re currently not but They’ll always be to me.

 

Just got back from seeing it as well - about sums up my thoughts as well.

This version of Wanda felt over-simplified for the sake of cinematic scope, eye candy and plot convenience. The Dark-something / Pagh Wraith book twisted her to The Dark Side and kill a bunch of people, kids see her as a monster - OMG sorry. Yeah, not really what I was hoping for.

For something that was touted as really opening up the grandeur of the Multiverse, it felt a bit underwhelming. The Illuminati (who I hadn't heard of before this movie) fizzled out quick as look at you. Thought the dialogue was a bit half-baked at times.

Overall I think the charm of these movies is wearing a bit thin. The added complexity building up to The Avengers was entertaining and innovative at the time. This time round I feel a bit detached from it all. Is this leading to something bigger? It's hard to discern much at the moment except, it'll involve The Multiverse, I guess.

Might just stick to watching the premieres on Disney+ after Taika's Love and Thunder.

Didn't hate it by any means, but certainly didn't love it as much as I thought I would.

 

They can't be part of the same multiverse. Both comic and movie America Chavez are the only one of their kind in the multiverse (a plot point in the film), but the two are obviously not the same person.

 

One thing that just occurred to me; and it's kind of a random connection to make but the whole "dreams are a window to the multiverse" thing made me realise that the running gag of both DC and Marvel comic characters being actual comic book characters in each other's universes could actually mean both the Marvel and DC multiverse are the same multiverse.

Not a stunning insight I know, since in any infinite spectrum of possibility, literally everything is out there.

I mean technically there are an infinite number of universes designated 616 by *somebody*. That's kind of how the multiverse works, no?

Well see that other one is two dimensional, and thus invisible to us edge on . . .

 

Everywhere she’s looked. Either copy. I mean I haven’t even checked Earth for all my lookalikes. I couldn’t even check my whole country or county or city. So if I were looking in a whole multiverse, game’s over.

She says she’s the only one because she’s looked but she’s also only seen 73 universes. That’s not a generalisable sample compared to an infinity.

 

Yeah, that was weird. One moment he's screaming to the sky and next he is cheerfully walking down the street..

 

Perhaps they're not in the same universe?

 

Actually $450 million.

https://deadline.com/2022/05/doctor...-opening-international-box-office-1235016822/

I do have a feeling the box office is going to be heavily front-loaded with people trying to see it as soon as possible to avoid spoilers.

 

Besides the tonal shift I hadn't thought about it but having the "cliffhanger" appear five minutes later in the credits is odd. Saving it for the stinger might've made for more of a "oh shit!" moment. Instead of ending it as they did they could've had Strange do the "Tobey shuffle" instead for his victory walk.

 

I'm not sure if we're supposed to be thinking he's not bothered because he's evil now or not.

In the comics there's nothing evil about his third eye though it usually only appears when he's in spirit form.

 

Have you seen Loki?

The Multiverse is not natural, it's not about probability or choice or infinite division.

It's about time travel.

Time Travel isn't even Time Travel.

In Avengers Infinity Quest they claim that you can't go to your own past.

So you can't go to any one's past.

You can't even revisit a past you've already been to.

What they call time travel is just the creation of new timelines.

So returning those infinity stones should have been impossible and coming back to the future they left from should have also been impossible...

But then there is Kang.

He can travel into his past.

He can return to time lines he's already been to, and he still creates alternate timelines and if any of those timelines are allowed to progress to the 30th Century, another Kang is born who invents time travel who then creates more alternate timelines which bear Kangs who invent more alternate timelines.

Pruning is contraception, with universe destroying landmines, to kill Kangs centuries or minutes before they invent time travel.

No infinite Kangs, no Kang war, no multiverse.

Sometimes one Kang gets a step ahead of the rest and murders all his dopplegangers, stopping the creation of more Kang by pruning timelines that look like they will bear a Kang, and there is peace, because there is no multiverse.

Kang and Reed Richards are brothers.

 

Did they ever specify what Sinister Strange was talking about when he referred to the battle that he "lost"? For whatever reason, I thought that might be foreshadowing of Kang.