Just going by what I've heard the guidelines are here, which is within 6 months after the initial airing. Everything afterward is not really spoiler territory, particularly when talking about a character that was created and premiered almost 35 years ago.
Missed Opportunities That Need Rectified...
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His treatment of the Calamari, helping Quinn commit suicide, his various machinations resulting in being stripped of his powers, his deal with Riker and Picard. At best he is insensitive to the pain inflicted.
I'll agree that he is insensitive to the pain he inflicts. But a being who is eons old... it's very possible he simply forgot what pain really felt like. I think he's more like an agent of chaos than anything sinister.
Regarding helping Quinn... he gave Quinn precisely what he wanted. I never looked at Q as the bad guy for the ending, because Quinn made a damned good case for why he was suffering. How was Q inflicting suffering if he was helping someone end their torment?
Regarding helping Quinn... he gave Quinn precisely what he wanted. I never looked at Q as the bad guy for the ending, because Quinn made a damned good case for why he was suffering. How was Q inflicting suffering if he was helping someone end their torment?
Because he knew what it would do to the ccontinue.
He is an insensitive egotistical being with little, if any, concerns beyond his own. He has little redeemable traits that make him appear kind. He uses cruelty in a "it's for your own good" kind of a way.
No thanks.
Q admitted in the hearing that he would have no idea what the ramifications would be. And Janeway herself said the one thing Q has never been is a liar.
I don't trust either of them so that means little.
The result of Q's actions was loss of life on a galactic scale. Characters have been vilified for less. Q's ignorance makes him no less culpable.
Q isn't ignorant unless he chooses to be. Or it's forced upon him. I think, like has been stated above, a non-corporeal being eons old has lost whatever attachment to bipedal existence he might have had. Interacting with humanity has probably reminded him of what he once was, even though he claims the Q have always existed. Then again, maybe they have, and you have to naturally ascend to the Continuum or be chosen to join?
His ignorance would make him far less culpable...
I disagree, but since I don't care about Q I'm sure he will be forgiven because...
"What stuff?! Stop that!!!"
I don't forgive Q. But I don't vilify him, either.
There are many other characters that deserve to be vilified far more quickly than Q. Dukat, Female Changeling, Culluh, Kai Winn, Admiral Janeway, Commander Dolem...
There are many other characters that deserve to be vilified far more quickly than Q. Dukat, Female Changeling, Culluh, Kai Winn, Admiral Janeway, Commander Dolem...
Meh. Saavik was one of the good guys, and Kirk and Spock were her mentors. I don't buy her as a traitor and pawn of Cartwright. She was way beyond that.
Agreed. And all for one person. I get it, she was his wife. But would she have been fine with him doimg all that for her? We didn't get to know her character, but that little scene she was in, I didn't get a vibe of her wanting that kind of thing from Annorax.
Speaking of a Vulcan traitor from TUC, I always wondered if there were Vulcans who were members of Section 31. Cold logic being used to defend the Federation against threats and potential threats.
How is inadvertently causing civil unrest by supporting some one's wish to die the same as intentionally causing a cosmic civil war?
I refuse to believe Quinn's committing suicide would have completely unforeseeable consequences and plunge the Q continuum into a civil war. Not if they already practiced capital punishment on some occasions.
If it really did, the situation must have been so unstable to begin with that it would have happened regardless of how Quinn's situation was resolved.
If it really did, the situation must have been so unstable to begin with that it would have happened regardless of how Quinn's situation was resolved.
Just because others deserve vilification doesn't excuse Q.
I would imagine so, yes.
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