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Spoilers Is Picard season 2 a failure?

I'll get the ball rolling with the first thread. How's this sound?

"Can we all agree season 2 was better than this TNG movie cash-in trash?"
Here's what Season 3 needs, for the Full TNG Movie Effect. :devil:

The TNG crew and PIC crew are gathered together for a celebration.
We get caught up about what everyone's up to. And Kestra's so tall now.
Soong shows up. Who cares which one? The point is, we have to have Not-Data. ;)
Awkward comedy moment with Picard, Beverly, and Laris in the same scene. Until...
Worf randomly shows up. Picard asks, "Worf? I'm glad you could make it! But aren't you a Klingon Governor?"
Picard is interrupted by something and we never get an answer to the question.
Picard delivers a one-liner.
Picard randomly hears about some Bad News.
Picard gathers the PIC Crew to go out on the Latest Adventure.
Riker insists on helping.
Picard says "No, no."
Riker insists again.
Picard decides the hell with it and accepts.
La Sirena and the former Enterprise crews are both all in.
The TNG and PIC characters head on their way to tackle this Crazy Bad News.
Seven makes some off-hand comment about the former Enterprise crew, but Raffi likes them.
Worf has trouble with Elnor being a Romulan, but respects him as a True Warrior.
Then Big Bad shows up. He wants revenge.

And I'll stop right there. :devil:
 
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My Prediction: Picard Season 3 will be considered "even worse" than Season 2.
The Reason for My Prediction: It'll be called a Super-Long TNG Movie.

You heard it here first. Feel free to quote this post of mine in 2023.

I agree with your prediction. I would add that the critics will likely complain that S3 has too much fan service and that S3 has "ruined the TNG characters". They will complain that the writing is terrible because Worf never would have done that back in TNG etc... And they will point to real or imagined plot holes and canon violations.
 
Is Picard Season 2 a failure? Or: How I am disappointed by Picard Season 2

So, first off, pardon the longish rant, but I wanted to discuss the season overall and see if other people feel the same way I do about Season 2. I read a couple of reviews recently that crystalized some of my opinions about the show that I was really trying to hide from acknowledging.

· Some good points about Picard being more like some subpar “edgy” sci-fi drama than anything Star Trek: https://www.thegamer.com/star-trek-picard-is-garbage/

· Picard’s pacing, among other things, are major issues: https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/star-trek-picard-season-2-episode-8-review-mercy/

I thought episode 1 was great and what Picard should have been all along. Episode 2 was pretty great, with great performances and a less silly “mirror universe”. So I was really digging this season at the start. Since then, for me, it has devolved into barely watchable, boring, and meandering Discovery-level Trek.

Positive points:

· Jeri Ryan acting more like Seven, and less like the too-human version of her in season 1

· John De Lancie playing up a great, darker version of Q, even though the actual part is small/less than impactful

· Ito Aghayere’s portrayal of young Guinan

· Stewart getting a couple of Picard speeches (even if the justification for them was very slight)

Negative points (just about everything else, where to start?):

· Pointless fetch quests for our crew in the 21st century (Rios, Seven, and Raffi) where they achieve nothing but wasting time (why was the music so dramatic when Seven was driving, when absolutely no one was chasing them?)

· Waffling back and forth about whether Renee is ok or not; once Picard gives her his little speech she is fine, but only really noted in offhand dialog an episode or two later, but then suddenly they worry about it again and desperately need Picard back up and functioning again to address absolutely no problem with Renee

· Meandering storylines in every episode that just go on and on: Jurati/Borg Queen, Rios and the doctor, Soong and his daughter

· Our heroic crew seems very uncaring regarding security of the Borg Queen, the likely greatest threat to the survival of the entire planet:

o just hook her immediately in to the ship; don’t worry about a security field; don’t worry about implementing any security on the computer systems; leave her alone in the ship while you traipse off to the Chateau (for no reason); leave her Borg tentacles and nanoprobes intact and functional; leave her in the care of the not-at-all-unreliable and already compromised Jurati; once she and Jurati combine, don’t pull out all the stops to find her, just send 2 of your crew to kind of look for her 8 hours later and hope they don’t get their butts kicked

· Non-stop plot holes/lack of justification in practically every episode

o Q’s plan for Adam at the party was to alert security, then Adam walks off assuming everything was fine; security does zip; and then Adam repeats his failure with the out-of-the-blue attempted car homicide thing; and why were all 5 of the crew there again? Only Jurati and Picard did anything at all.

o Everything with Picard’s injury; he’s fine until he is not, then the doc just walks out, then non-Laris has magic mind-meld tech, then it’s crucial that the doctor holds the stabilizer instrument over Picard’s head when neither of them knows what they are doing and it requires no medical skill at all; and apparently all along non-Laris is an ancestor of Laris’s (at least there is some explanation)?

o Q, Adam, the Borg Queen; they all seem to go about their plots (whatever they actually turn out to be) in needlessly circuitous ways (almost like they are trying to pad out the running time of a 10-episode serialized show). Why does Q become a fake psychiatrist? Why does he try to get her to quit? Why doesn’t he just report that she is psychologically unfit for service? Why doesn’t he just kill her? Why does he recruit Adam to do nothing at all (other than to get Spiner and Stewart in a scene together)? If he can impersonate a doctor as part of the Europa mission or a FBI agent, why does he need Adam for anything? If Adam has access to advanced cloning technology, and money, and mercenaries, what does he need permission from some stupid medical board for? If he’s willing to do illegal genetics experiments and clone people, run down heroic astronauts or random nonagenarians with his car, and hire mercs to do whatever, what does he care if some board gives the stamp of approval for his work?

World building issues

· No references to the apparently very impactful (given Soong’s storyline) eugenics war storyline (other than a reference, maybe, to some treaty or agreement). I get that the writers seem to not want to touch that rail, but then why have a genetics/eugenics storyline if you are afraid to address it?

· They seem to be going out of their way to make the 2024 setting to be exactly like current reality, so it feels weird that the only differences are elements specifically needed for the plot lines, with no outside impacts or changes.

o ICE is just like in our reality, re: immigration and poor treatment of prisoners/suspects; but no sci-fi trappings like different uniforms, technology, or organizational title

o There are background references to sanctuary districts and 1 reference to homelessness among wealth, but no other impacts

o There are advanced space missions (Europa) and advanced genetics (cloning?) but no impacts on any day-to-day life: no clothing differences, dialog differences, nothing

· It just all feels very small; maybe this is all impacts from covid restrictions, but every scene (minus the party scene which had more people) feels like the scenes were all designed to take place in closets where we don’t have to see any historical, social, or technological differences; where our characters have stilted dialog talking all around the actual topic at hand until they have ultra-direct pointed discussions resulting in insightful and life-changing revelations over the course of 10 minutes. Rios on a whim shows the doc and her kid all the future tech; Picard reveals the entire plot re: being from the future, to some random FBI guy.

o [Noted that Voyager’s visit to the “present” in “Future’s End” was similarly underwhelming with some of the same issues re: eugenics, and sci-fi differences, but it felt like it was trying harder. DS9’s visit to the 21st century in “Past Tense” actually felt like science fiction.]

[And yes, I realize that we can all bend over backward to come up with some tortured justifications to paper over the holes in logic and motivation, but that doesn’t mean the show isn’t bad.]

I guess I have to face it: Picard season 2 is no real improvement over season 1 in any of the ways that really matter. It still has bad pacing. The mystery box approach to the individual plotlines is still boring/unengaging. And in some ways it is worse: the plotting (logic, character intentions and decisions) is even less justified than in season 1, with episodes lurching from point to point with little support other than that is what the episodes call for at any given minute. Raffi is seriously underserved both in storyline and in giving the actress not much real to contribute. And none of our crew members feel like the heroic best-of-the-best Starfleet types that we were led to believe they were back in season 2 episode 1 (after they had supposedly gotten their mojo back as a result of their work/success in season 1).

So, I will still be looking forward to the reunion of the TNG cast in season 3, but I don’t have any real hope for this season to be good and will likely just complete it to see how the plot ends (like I did season 4 of Discovery). Such a let down from the promise the start of this season.


So rant over. Anyone else feeling similar?
Its not a failure at all. This season Picard is having regret in not pursuing the woman he loves, and I'm guessing he will find the heart and confidence to go for it. Clearly, Laris loves him... even the Gary Seven doppleganger seem to like him as well; going through the obstacles to earn a chance with Laris is a journey worth doing. I hope he accomplishes it. As for living up to the legend of Star Trek: The Next Generation? That's up to you, and your expectations for compelling television programming.
 
Here's what Season 3 needs, for the Full TNG Movie Effect. :devil:

The TNG crew and PIC crew are gathered together for a celebration.
We get caught up about what everyone's up to. And Kestra's so tall now.
Soong shows up. Who cares which one? The point is, we have to have Not-Data. ;)
Awkward comedy moment with Picard, Beverly, and Laris in the same scene. Until...
Worf randomly shows up. Picard asks, "Worf? I'm glad you could make it! But aren't you a Klingon Governor?"
Picard is interrupted by something and we never get an answer to the question.
Picard delivers a one-liner.
Picard randomly hears about some Bad News.
Picard gathers the PIC Crew to go out on the Latest Adventure.
Riker insists on helping.
Picard says "No, no."
Riker insists again.
Picard decides the hell with it and accepts.
La Sirena and the former Enterprise crews are both all in.
The TNG and PIC characters head on their way to tackle this Crazy Bad News.
Seven makes some off-hand comment about the former Enterprise crew, but Raffi likes them.
Worf has trouble with Elnor being a Romulan, but respects him as a True Warrior.
Then Big Bad shows up. He wants revenge.

And I'll stop right there. :devil:

Let me guess, Daimon Bok ;)
 
Here's what Season 3 needs, for the Full TNG Movie Effect. :devil:

The TNG crew and PIC crew are gathered together for a celebration.
We get caught up about what everyone's up to. And Kestra's so tall now.
Soong shows up. Who cares which one? The point is, we have to have Not-Data. ;)
Awkward comedy moment with Picard, Beverly, and Laris in the same scene. Until...
Worf randomly shows up. Picard asks, "Worf? I'm glad you could make it! But aren't you a Klingon Governor?"
Picard is interrupted by something and we never get an answer to the question.
Picard delivers a one-liner.
Picard randomly hears about some Bad News.
Picard gathers the PIC Crew to go out on the Latest Adventure.
Riker insists on helping.
Picard says "No, no."
Riker insists again.
Picard decides the hell with it and accepts.
La Sirena and the former Enterprise crews are both all in.
The TNG and PIC characters head on their way to tackle this Crazy Bad News.
Seven makes some off-hand comment about the former Enterprise crew, but Raffi likes them.
Worf has trouble with Elnor being a Romulan, but respects him as a True Warrior.
Then Big Bad shows up. He wants revenge.

And I'll stop right there. :devil:

Pack it up, Malalas. We’ve got the script right here. The leak is real.
 
Once you accept its a ten hour long movie it works better, and just like a lot of movies some parts work better than others. From what I have seen so far they did not need ten episodes to tell the story that they have shown, but I do not consider it a failure.
A failure (to me) is if only a few people are watching the show, something tells there are more than a few people watching.
(Even the extreme hate watchers are adding to the ratings. Fancy that!)
 
Is Picard Season 2 a failure? Or: How I am disappointed by Picard Season 2

So, first off, pardon the longish rant, but I wanted to discuss the season overall and see if other people feel the same way I do about Season 2. I read a couple of reviews recently that crystalized some of my opinions about the show that I was really trying to hide from acknowledging.

· Some good points about Picard being more like some subpar “edgy” sci-fi drama than anything Star Trek: https://www.thegamer.com/star-trek-picard-is-garbage/

· Picard’s pacing, among other things, are major issues: https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/star-trek-picard-season-2-episode-8-review-mercy/

I thought episode 1 was great and what Picard should have been all along. Episode 2 was pretty great, with great performances and a less silly “mirror universe”. So I was really digging this season at the start. Since then, for me, it has devolved into barely watchable, boring, and meandering Discovery-level Trek.

Positive points:

· Jeri Ryan acting more like Seven, and less like the too-human version of her in season 1

· John De Lancie playing up a great, darker version of Q, even though the actual part is small/less than impactful

· Ito Aghayere’s portrayal of young Guinan

· Stewart getting a couple of Picard speeches (even if the justification for them was very slight)

Negative points (just about everything else, where to start?):

· Pointless fetch quests for our crew in the 21st century (Rios, Seven, and Raffi) where they achieve nothing but wasting time (why was the music so dramatic when Seven was driving, when absolutely no one was chasing them?)

· Waffling back and forth about whether Renee is ok or not; once Picard gives her his little speech she is fine, but only really noted in offhand dialog an episode or two later, but then suddenly they worry about it again and desperately need Picard back up and functioning again to address absolutely no problem with Renee

· Meandering storylines in every episode that just go on and on: Jurati/Borg Queen, Rios and the doctor, Soong and his daughter

· Our heroic crew seems very uncaring regarding security of the Borg Queen, the likely greatest threat to the survival of the entire planet:

o just hook her immediately in to the ship; don’t worry about a security field; don’t worry about implementing any security on the computer systems; leave her alone in the ship while you traipse off to the Chateau (for no reason); leave her Borg tentacles and nanoprobes intact and functional; leave her in the care of the not-at-all-unreliable and already compromised Jurati; once she and Jurati combine, don’t pull out all the stops to find her, just send 2 of your crew to kind of look for her 8 hours later and hope they don’t get their butts kicked

· Non-stop plot holes/lack of justification in practically every episode

o Q’s plan for Adam at the party was to alert security, then Adam walks off assuming everything was fine; security does zip; and then Adam repeats his failure with the out-of-the-blue attempted car homicide thing; and why were all 5 of the crew there again? Only Jurati and Picard did anything at all.

o Everything with Picard’s injury; he’s fine until he is not, then the doc just walks out, then non-Laris has magic mind-meld tech, then it’s crucial that the doctor holds the stabilizer instrument over Picard’s head when neither of them knows what they are doing and it requires no medical skill at all; and apparently all along non-Laris is an ancestor of Laris’s (at least there is some explanation)?

o Q, Adam, the Borg Queen; they all seem to go about their plots (whatever they actually turn out to be) in needlessly circuitous ways (almost like they are trying to pad out the running time of a 10-episode serialized show). Why does Q become a fake psychiatrist? Why does he try to get her to quit? Why doesn’t he just report that she is psychologically unfit for service? Why doesn’t he just kill her? Why does he recruit Adam to do nothing at all (other than to get Spiner and Stewart in a scene together)? If he can impersonate a doctor as part of the Europa mission or a FBI agent, why does he need Adam for anything? If Adam has access to advanced cloning technology, and money, and mercenaries, what does he need permission from some stupid medical board for? If he’s willing to do illegal genetics experiments and clone people, run down heroic astronauts or random nonagenarians with his car, and hire mercs to do whatever, what does he care if some board gives the stamp of approval for his work?

World building issues

· No references to the apparently very impactful (given Soong’s storyline) eugenics war storyline (other than a reference, maybe, to some treaty or agreement). I get that the writers seem to not want to touch that rail, but then why have a genetics/eugenics storyline if you are afraid to address it?

· They seem to be going out of their way to make the 2024 setting to be exactly like current reality, so it feels weird that the only differences are elements specifically needed for the plot lines, with no outside impacts or changes.

o ICE is just like in our reality, re: immigration and poor treatment of prisoners/suspects; but no sci-fi trappings like different uniforms, technology, or organizational title

o There are background references to sanctuary districts and 1 reference to homelessness among wealth, but no other impacts

o There are advanced space missions (Europa) and advanced genetics (cloning?) but no impacts on any day-to-day life: no clothing differences, dialog differences, nothing

· It just all feels very small; maybe this is all impacts from covid restrictions, but every scene (minus the party scene which had more people) feels like the scenes were all designed to take place in closets where we don’t have to see any historical, social, or technological differences; where our characters have stilted dialog talking all around the actual topic at hand until they have ultra-direct pointed discussions resulting in insightful and life-changing revelations over the course of 10 minutes. Rios on a whim shows the doc and her kid all the future tech; Picard reveals the entire plot re: being from the future, to some random FBI guy.

o [Noted that Voyager’s visit to the “present” in “Future’s End” was similarly underwhelming with some of the same issues re: eugenics, and sci-fi differences, but it felt like it was trying harder. DS9’s visit to the 21st century in “Past Tense” actually felt like science fiction.]

[And yes, I realize that we can all bend over backward to come up with some tortured justifications to paper over the holes in logic and motivation, but that doesn’t mean the show isn’t bad.]

I guess I have to face it: Picard season 2 is no real improvement over season 1 in any of the ways that really matter. It still has bad pacing. The mystery box approach to the individual plotlines is still boring/unengaging. And in some ways it is worse: the plotting (logic, character intentions and decisions) is even less justified than in season 1, with episodes lurching from point to point with little support other than that is what the episodes call for at any given minute. Raffi is seriously underserved both in storyline and in giving the actress not much real to contribute. And none of our crew members feel like the heroic best-of-the-best Starfleet types that we were led to believe they were back in season 2 episode 1 (after they had supposedly gotten their mojo back as a result of their work/success in season 1).

So, I will still be looking forward to the reunion of the TNG cast in season 3, but I don’t have any real hope for this season to be good and will likely just complete it to see how the plot ends (like I did season 4 of Discovery). Such a let down from the promise the start of this season.


So rant over. Anyone else feeling similar?
Perhaps you should spend less time over-evaluating the episodes and just enjoy them for the entertainment value they provide.
Also, I would strongly suggest you stop watching garbage Yt video's that trash modern Star Trek simply because it gets them more monetary views.

It seems to be heavily influencing your thought processes and does nothing but destroy your enjoyment of something you supposedly are a fan of.
 
Yes it's a failure.

8 episodes in and not a single dong or breast has been whipped out.

Do these clowns not know how to make post GoT TV shows.

Bring back REAL TREK
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Objectively - I'm not sure if this can be answered since... some folks enjoy it and others don't. Enjoyment of a show, like beauty and treason, is in the eye of the beholder.

I do think what can be said, objectively, is it is not a good look that they are already rolling out S3 teasers in the middle of S2. This may not be the case at all, but it does give an appearance of TPTB don't feel confident on the reception of S2 and desperately want to show they are rolling out TNG alum. Or maybe they just got overexcited and wanted to share the news. *shrugs*

On S2 - I am pretty disappointed. I am not happy or gleeful about that. I'm not someone that hates PIC/DISCO/Any other Trek. It has some good moments (like even some of the worst Trek in the past had) but it really comes across like they had a good idea that could have been done in a three-parter. But they needed to fill out 10 episodes, so we have this drawn out plotline of the characters meandering through the 21st century. We have Rios getting captured and needing to escape. We have Picard being captured and needing to escape. We have this plot line about Picard's ancestor (it may still pay off). We have another plot line about Picard dealing with childhood trauma. We have this really odd, confusing plot about Soong that is connected to Eugenics ... but no real reference to the war itself or what his real endgame is with the clones (is it simply for his legacy?) Soong apparently has a lot of connections but not enough connections to finish his work. In the mix of all of this, the Borg Queen has hijacked Jurati and is on the loose. In the mix of that mix, we have Q who is ... dying (or something else)? We're still waiting to find out why he put Picard in an alternate timeline...

None of those plot lines on their own are bad and has a lot of potential to be explored. It's just how it was put together in this season. It's a massive convoluted mess and it feels like a circle of writers each had an idea about where to go with Picard season 2 and someone said that we'll fit in all of their ideas. It's like that Key & Peele "Gremlin's 2" sketch where everyone's idea for a new Gremlin was thrown into the film.

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Or maybe they just got overexcited and wanted to share the news. *shrugs*
Or...they knew it was going to leak and had to get out ahead of it. Leaks are pretty much a production company's bane (just look at Marvel) and companies are trying their best to stay ahead of it.

I don't think it shows a lack of confidence at all. They already poured in to having Q and Guinan in this season. Anyone surprised by more legacy characters?
n the mix of that mix, we have Q who is ... dying (or something else)? We're still waiting to find out why he put Picard in an alternate timeline...
Exactly. The audience is still waiting for the end. How do we declare something a failure if we don't know the end? It's like how I hated "A Few Good Men" because I always stopped it right after Tom Cruise gets told that his partner would chose him as a lawyer. Or if I only watched Best of Both Worlds part 1. There is something missing here and declaring it a "failure" is, well, premature, to my mind.

But, what do I know. I've already felt burned by legacy characters in Trek.
 
It started off really strongly, but it's just a bit boring at this point.

With the ideas they're throwing around, it'd have almost have been better off being episodic.
 
I do think what can be said, objectively, is it is not a good look that they are already rolling out S3 teasers in the middle of S2. This may not be the case at all, but it does give an appearance of TPTB don't feel confident on the reception of S2 and desperately want to show they are rolling out TNG alum. Or maybe they just got overexcited and wanted to share the news. *shrugs*

The timing of that announcement struck me as…odd as well. It made me wonder if the ratings had gone down quite a bit and they wanted to persuade people to come back and stick at it. I often feel TPTB are extremely concerned with fan reaction…as is evidenced by DISCO, which, each season, has subtly (or not do subtly) adjusted itself to take any and all significant fan criticism to heart (and, I have to say, somewhat lost the mojo it had in its first couple of seasons in the process).

But they needed to fill out 10 episodes, so we have this drawn out plotline of the characters meandering through the 21st century. We have Rios getting captured and needing to escape. We have Picard being captured and needing to escape.

Haha I’m a fan of classic Doctor Who and this reminds me of the days (mainly during the Jon Pertwee era) when they had a lot of six parters and basically to pad them out you’d have the Doctor and/or companions being captured, then escaping, then being recaptured, then escaping over and over again. And, ya know, it’s hard. Any story has a beginning, a middle and an end. It’s not easy to sustain it for hours and hours on end. Based on both DSC s4 and PIC s2 I think these seasons would have worked better as miniseries —maybe 4-5 hours. Or, what FARSCAPE used to do. It was arc heavy but the first half of each season began with standalone episodes and halfway through the season the serialisation kicked in until it culminated in a big arc heavy final run.
 
The timing of that announcement struck me as…odd as well. It made me wonder if the ratings had gone down quite a bit and they wanted to persuade people to come back and stick at it. I often feel TPTB are extremely concerned with fan reaction…as is evidenced by DISCO, which, each season, has subtly (or not do subtly) adjusted itself to take any and all significant fan criticism to heart (and, I have to say, somewhat lost the mojo it had in its first couple of seasons in the process).

Same. They're clearly listening to some degree. I've just never seen a teaser/trailer in the middle of an ongoing season. S2 ends in 2 weeks - they couldn't attach it to the end of the show?

Then again, I guess they needed some news for "First Contact Day". IDK. It just looked weird.

And, ya know, it’s hard. Any story has a beginning, a middle and an end. It’s not easy to sustain it for hours and hours on end. Based on both DSC s4 and PIC s2 I think these seasons would have worked better as miniseries —maybe 4-5 hours. Or, what FARSCAPE used to do. It was arc heavy but the first half of each season began with standalone episodes and halfway through the season the serialisation kicked in until it culminated in a big arc heavy final run.

Yeah, this probably would have been the better route to go.

Or...they knew it was going to leak and had to get out ahead of it. Leaks are pretty much a production company's bane (just look at Marvel) and companies are trying their best to stay ahead of it.

Maybe.

I don't think it shows a lack of confidence at all. They already poured in to having Q and Guinan in this season. Anyone surprised by more legacy characters?

I don't think anyone is surprised by the TNG alum appearing in the show. Just the timing of the teaser. Plus, the writers hyper-obsessed with making sure that this would not be TNG Season 8 when they revealed the news of this show's creation. At best, we'd get some cameos sprinkled in ala Riker/Troi or Data. Suddenly, S3 teaser (and finale of the show's run no less) rolls out and it comes across as one final hurrah for the TNG cast together. Rather than maybe some occasional appearances from the old cast across 3 seasons.

As ananta said above - it comes across as trying to lure back the naysayers.

Exactly. The audience is still waiting for the end. How do we declare something a failure if we don't know the end? It's like how I hated "A Few Good Men" because I always stopped it right after Tom Cruise gets told that his partner would chose him as a lawyer. Or if I only watched Best of Both Worlds part 1. There is something missing here and declaring it a "failure" is, well, premature, to my mind.

But, what do I know. I've already felt burned by legacy characters in Trek.

True. I agree that the season can't really be declared a failure and it's not even over yet. It's all premature (barring that some will like it and some will hate it regardless of the show's end).

I will say that even if the shows has a strong ending that ties it all together - that won't really change the middle act being slow, muddled, convoluted and several plot lines too many. (IMO)
 
A season which rates 5/10 for nine episodes and then has a 10/10 ending is still only giving people 5.5/10 or 5/10 quality episodes on average (depending on how you average them).

(Note: I'm not saying this is how I'd rate Picard S2.)
 
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