Will Odo be Successful?
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Hmm this thread gives me deja vu, didn't you make it before, Photon? :thumbsup:
Anyhow,
No, he won't. The Great Link will be successful in converting Odo to their POV. Especially when they make him realize that no decent race would create a genocide disease against them, and then withhold the cure to the genocide disease just because they are at war. There is no way Odo could defend that, nor would he even try to. There is no way to ever convince any of The Great Link to believe Odo's pro-solid propaganda after that.
Anyhow,
No, he won't. The Great Link will be successful in converting Odo to their POV. Especially when they make him realize that no decent race would create a genocide disease against them, and then withhold the cure to the genocide disease just because they are at war. There is no way Odo could defend that, nor would he even try to. There is no way to ever convince any of The Great Link to believe Odo's pro-solid propaganda after that.
I think Odo will be able to show them that some solids really can be trusted. I wouldn't expect the Founders to suddenly become cuddly as kittens, but I think Odo has made an important first step towards diminishing the Founders' paranoid xenophobia.
Of course in the Relaunch's take on things, the whole argument semms to have become rather moot at this point.
Of course in the Relaunch's take on things, the whole argument semms to have become rather moot at this point.
It's a brave new world for the Greant Link so they will proceed with caution. After all we can't even say it's always been peaceful in the AQ...
...Peace is relative...
...I'm sure right now the're agents from Cardassia, Romulas and S-31 lobbying the great link for secret alliances and a request for Changeling 'ambassadors' to use as spy's.
...Peace is relative...
...I'm sure right now the're agents from Cardassia, Romulas and S-31 lobbying the great link for secret alliances and a request for Changeling 'ambassadors' to use as spy's.
Having come close to extinction because of their pursuit of war, I think they'll be much more measured in using aggression against powers in the universe.
The great lesson Odo brings that could be directly absorbed, is the depth of meaning in true friendship and relationships among humans. They will know of the Doctor's efforts on his behalf, and how broadly felt the disgust for genocide was among humans. Wherever complacency was felt about that genocide, it was as a result of the Founders own ruthlessness in waging a horrific war against largely innocent people.
You know what we say, "Don't go crying now. You started this thing; we're gonna finish it."
The great lesson Odo brings that could be directly absorbed, is the depth of meaning in true friendship and relationships among humans. They will know of the Doctor's efforts on his behalf, and how broadly felt the disgust for genocide was among humans. Wherever complacency was felt about that genocide, it was as a result of the Founders own ruthlessness in waging a horrific war against largely innocent people.
You know what we say, "Don't go crying now. You started this thing; we're gonna finish it."
I doubt he'll be successful. He only convinced that other shapeshifter because she was physically weak (and therefore open to suggestion). All the evidence (so far) indicates that linking leads to one shapeshifter dominating/controlling the other. I doubt Odo will be able to stand up to the Great Link.
but he was able to provide a cure for the Link which effectively
cured them and now they are in his debt for doing that.
As for the argument that the virus that was intended to committing genocide was not exactly excusable ... well it is because the 'solids' were trying to survive.
Both sides attempted numerous actions that could be considered questionable and both resorted to methods that could ensure their survival.
It's more likely that Odo would be able to convince the Founders not to be as hostile towards solids in the future.
Indeed, they won't suddenly turn into kittens, but it's possible they will be less prone to hostility towards them and that can positively affect the future.
cured them and now they are in his debt for doing that.
As for the argument that the virus that was intended to committing genocide was not exactly excusable ... well it is because the 'solids' were trying to survive.
Both sides attempted numerous actions that could be considered questionable and both resorted to methods that could ensure their survival.
It's more likely that Odo would be able to convince the Founders not to be as hostile towards solids in the future.
Indeed, they won't suddenly turn into kittens, but it's possible they will be less prone to hostility towards them and that can positively affect the future.
All that this shows is that Solids are murderers who cannot be trusted, while even wayward Founders like Odo will do the right thing in the end. He'd get a pat on his gelatinous head, and then a stern order to go to his gelatinous room to contemplate on all the childishness he had been up to while spending time with the dirty Solids. And no gelatine dessert for him that day.
Granted that the whole debacle with the war showed that these particular Solids were more vicious than others, at least in comparison with the resources the Dominion could deploy to subjugate them. But nothing in the chain of events would suggest to the Link that military action would be a bad idea while peaceful coexistence would be a good one. Why, the genocidal bioweapon had been developed and deployed during a lull of coexistence, before the Dominion initiated military action!
Timo Saloniemi
Gamma quadrant intelligence on the Dominion must have clearly shown that a broader conflict with the powers in the AQ was inevitable, and there would be dire consequences for the AQ. A power that vengefully rules an entire quadrant would be unlikely to remain in peaceful coexistence for long. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst is a military’s appropriate moto, isn’t it?
Not necessarily...They may eventually come into the fold (per the vision/theme of Star Trek), but that doesn't mean Odo will be the one to convince them. It may take several more years/decades/centuries and/or wars for them to come around.
No. Because then the Dominion would be boring, and we don't want a boring story. 
Which means the Feds won the war because of their attempted genocide. Not that the Doms are so ethically pure, but it sure will make it harder for the Feds to argue from a position of moral superiority. And it's a good reason for the Doms to just repudiate the treaty, which their representative entered into only under duress.
Which means the Feds won the war because of their attempted genocide. Not that the Doms are so ethically pure, but it sure will make it harder for the Feds to argue from a position of moral superiority. And it's a good reason for the Doms to just repudiate the treaty, which their representative entered into only under duress.
No. Because then the Dominion would be boring, and we don't want a boring story.
Eh, Weyoun is permenently dead. And without Weyoun the Dominion aren't all that compelling. Having them coming around to the Federation side could create the kind of ambivalence we saw with the Klingons on TNG - bloodthirsty warriors who are nonetheless aligned with dogooding pacifists.
No. Because then the Dominion would be boring, and we don't want a boring story.
Which means the Feds won the war because of their attempted genocide. Not that the Doms are so ethically pure, but it sure will make it harder for the Feds to argue from a position of moral superiority. And it's a good reason for the Doms to just repudiate the treaty, which their representative entered into only under duress.
The Dominion can also argue that any orders to commit war-crimes were given out while dealing the mental deterioration effects of the Federation virus.
Considering how long Changelings live—centuries is more than implied—it's quite likely Odo will be around.
In addition, one person, such as Odo, making a difference is another of Star Trek's themes, I'm sure you'll agree.
I suspect that he could help keep the Dominion on peaceful terms for while (well, him combined with what happened to their alpha quadrant forces). I doubt it would last long-term.
True, but the Federation also believes in tolerance too.
What I mean is, much like the treaty made with Cardassia & now the Dominion. If they won't join the Federation or become allies, then the Federation will give you a wide birth and leave you alone.
Odo won't change centuries of mistrust, he will see to it the Dominion & Federation leave each other alone.
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