Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x07 - "Monsters"

[Mr. Laser Beam]

IIRC, young Robert spent most of his days out working in the fields, tending the winery. Jean-Luc was much more of an indoor kid. So it makes perfect sense that Yvette confided in Jean-Luc more than Robert; thus, Robert wouldn't be part of any of these flashbacks.

(Likewise, I suspect that Maurice got along better with Robert than with Jean-Luc, because they were more alike as well.)

It's like Quark and Rom on DS9. Quark always took after Ishka, while Rom was much more like Keldar.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That was my understanding of it - that there just wasn't enough Data left to be able to transfer into a new body, any such attempt would end in failure. There was just this last residual fragment of consciousness, aware of being eternally trapped, and he was ready for that residual half-existence to end now.

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Every Android consciousness was made from one cell from Data's positronic net.

From that I extrapolated that Every time they make a new set of Androids, The little bit of Data they made the twins from is also there and is a fully developed consciousness who asks to be killed please.

It's also worth noting that Jean-Luc reconciled with Robert in Family - well before his death. Holding enough resentment against Robert to have him part of this weird mental fantasy would really cut against that character growth - not to mention be completely irrelevant to a story about his relationship with his parents.

He resents Robert for dying, but he resents Rene for Dying even more.

Jean-Luc, when he was still alive, was last Picard.

 

[fireproof78]

I wonder if these people would be yelling at fans for complaining how awful Shades of Gray was when it aired. Or Threshold. Or The Way to Eden. Or any other horrible Star Trek episode over the years, because we've had a lot of them.

Yes, probably. One person's garbage is another person's treasure after all.

These people would be screaming at complaining fans to "StOp WaTcHiNg." If an episode sucks, it sucks. Stop taking it personal. Trek has a long history with crappy episodes, and fans have every right to complain about them while continuing to watch (because it always gets better).

And fans are going to react too. Isn't that funny...

 

[eschaton]

IIRC, young Robert spent most of his days out working in the fields, tending the winery. Jean-Luc was much more of an indoor kid. So it makes perfect sense that Yvette confided in Jean-Luc more than Robert; thus, Robert wouldn't be part of any of these flashbacks.

(Likewise, I suspect that Maurice got along better with Robert than with Jean-Luc, because they were more alike as well.)

It's like Quark and Rom on DS9. Quark always took after Ishka, while Rom was much more like Keldar.

It's also possible that his mother's mental issues worsened over time, which meant they weren't as notable during the formative period of Robert's childhood.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Think it's possible that the version of Maurice Picard in Jean Luc's mind was actually Q in disguise, considering the way he talked and confronted him with his past and what really was up with his mother...

 

[DaveyNY]

Well, by Picard he can apparently blow up other people's ships by himself too

Actually, if you watch that scene again, there's a moment in which we see Rios tapping out commands on the Captains chair.
He was probably well aware that with all the commotion on the bridge, the computer might not hear his verbal code in the couple of moments before it was too late.

 

[Cyrus]

I thought the FBI agent could be a Q since he showed up right after Guinan did her summon the Q thing.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

If any of these characters was Q in disguise, IMHO it's much more likely that it was indeed Agent Wells rather than Maurice.

 

[Boo-khat!]

I really don't understand people getting butthurt when other fans dislike an episode.

I wonder if these people would be yelling at fans for complaining how awful Shades of Gray was when it aired. Or Threshold. Or The Way to Eden. Or any other horrible Star Trek episode over the years, because we've had a lot of them.

These people would be screaming at complaining fans to "StOp WaTcHiNg." If an episode sucks, it sucks. Stop taking it personal. Trek has a long history with crappy episodes, and fans have every right to complain about them while continuing to watch (because it always gets better).

There’s a difference between people not liking something, and people purposely not liking something with the intent to just be trolls.

 

[brandnewfan]

There’s a difference between people not liking something, and people purposely not liking something with the intent to just be trolls.

Who is doing that?

Granted, I'm not reading every post in this thread. I'll post my thoughts and respond to people with questions/comments. But do you honestly believe there's some massive wave of trolls coming in here to trash this particular episode, or other episodes?

I want to enjoy these shows because Star Trek has had such a tremendous impact on my life. But sometimes the shows are bad. This one was terrible. Maybe the next one will be good. Good lord, not every negative opinion is just people trolling.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Jean-Luc, when he was still alive...

Just get over this. Picard is Picard. In every way that matters, he is the same being we met in Encounter at Farpoint Everything else is missing the point.

 

[brandnewfan]

Just get over this. Picard is Picard. In every way that matters, he is the same being we met in Encounter at Farpoint Everything else is missing the point.

Agreed. He's the same guy.

 

[gweeps]

For a couple ticks, I thought maybe the psychiatrist might have been. The FBI guy? Nah. Right now, Q seems not to be able to fool people with things like that.

 

[Vale]

Actually, if you watch that scene again, there's a moment in which we see Rios tapping out commands on the Captains chair.
He was probably well aware that with all the commotion on the bridge, the computer might not hear his verbal code in the couple of moments before it was too late.

An excellent catch, and another entirely believable explanation – there is no reason why these codes have to be delivered verbally rather than typed out after all

 

[Timofnine]

Think it's possible that the version of Maurice Picard in Jean Luc's mind was actually Q in disguise, considering the way he talked and confronted him with his past and what really was up with his mother...

Maybe not ‘our’ Q, but perhaps another Q. Q civil war and all that jazz.

 

[truthchampion]

That was my understanding of it - that there just wasn't enough Data left to be able to transfer into a new body, any such attempt would end in failure. There was just this last residual fragment of consciousness, aware of being eternally trapped, and he was ready for that residual half-existence to end now.

You mean the fundamental field replicator with a neurocotamic interface? (Yeah, Jurati gave it a technobabble explanation that would normally be all that Trek fans need to feel good about a new piece of tech, but because the 'use your imagination' bit had already come first, no one registered the techie explanation).

Rios was trying to reassure Theresa, to help her feel better. The device was simple enough to use, and being able to help her patient both reassured her and convinced her that Rios was genuine. If he'd used the device himself, she'd probably have freaked out all the more about what he was going to do with it.

so I beam over a MRI scanner and you know how to use it?
or a ultrasonic scanner or a laser scalpel.

pssst.. it takes at least 6 months training to use it.

 

[fireproof78]

so I beam over a MRI scanner and you know how to use it?
or a ultrasonic scanner or a laser scalpel.

pssst.. it takes at least 6 months training to use it.

The basics, yeah probably. Especially with someone there to help.

That's how I learned how to build my house.

 

[Vale]

so I beam over a MRI scanner and you know how to use it?
or a ultrasonic scanner or a laser scalpel.

pssst.. it takes at least 6 months training to use it.

Star Trek has a long established history of people beaming over to unfamiliar ships and just immediately intuiting how to use the controls. It's easy to imagine that by the 25th century these implements will have a smart mode so they can be used by any crew member in an emergency too.

 

[trek.]

Who is doing that?

Granted, I'm not reading every post in this thread. I'll post my thoughts and respond to people with questions/comments. But do you honestly believe there's some massive wave of trolls coming in here to trash this particular episode, or other episodes?

I want to enjoy these shows because Star Trek has had such a tremendous impact on my life. But sometimes the shows are bad. This one was terrible. Maybe the next one will be good. Good lord, not every negative opinion is just people trolling.

Agree. The shills that relentlessly try to discount any sort of criticism are getting tiresome as well.

 

[Gilora]

Well, by Picard he can apparently blow up other people's ships by himself too

The Borg Queen connected the fleet to the Stargazer (per the dialogue). That's why the fleet was destroyed also.