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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x07 - "Monsters"

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Indeed, why did she have to screem like a banchee which poped a few bottles, why didn't the FBI agent that came a few seconds later mentioned it
Maybe they were in the "moment" Guinan spoke of a.k.a. a time pocket?

Who knows? See how much it stinks to have to fill in the blanks? We're not talking about suggested violence here adding tension.
 
Let's go take a trip inside my mind to investigate the root cause of my opinions. You'll be able to move around freely in my thoughts, though you might encounter a scary clown or something.
Oh, and I'm from the future. Here's some tech that you shouldn't know about, and I'm gonna hand it over to you because "I trust you" to be able to operate it correctly and low and behold you can.
And by the way, you look EXACTLY like someone I know from my time period. Must be a relative because as we all know, everyone has a distant relative who looks EXACTLY the same as their future grandchildren or whatever.
Meanwhile, if you rub this bottle hard enough a genie will pop out....

I know we all can't like the same things, and we all have opinions. Mine is that this episode was the worst of the entire Picard series so far.
I'm sure that will change with the next episode.

Indeed, why did she have to screem like a banchee which poped a few bottles, why didn't the FBI agent that came a few seconds later mentioned it
Long distance Bottling.
 
Horny Ghost lanterns, Orbs of Contemplation, Time Travel Donuts, so many others. Magic Bottle of Q summoning is par for the course for Star Trek. You're opinion deserves judgement for the obvious bias evinced.

You forgot S1's magic wish-granting flute (Thanks, Michael Chabon!)

I'm ok with the El-Aurian beeing able to call Q, which I find baffling is that it requires a a unique bottle which just happens to be in arm reach like she was expecting she had to use it one day.

Maybe she kept it for emergencies?
 
I'm sure that will change with the next episode.


Right. Because possessing the ability to be objective means having to love everything no matter what. And if you don't LOVE everything then you're just being negative.

I love the show. When it premiered I watched the pilot episode like 5 times that day. I even enjoyed the first season overall when a lot of people didn't. And I thought the first two episodes this season were wonderful and some of the best Trek we've seen in this modern era, and maybe even some of the best period.

When the quality degrades, however, I'm not going to just offer up blind praise like I guess you want people to do.
 
We have never had a ST series focus on one character. I do not understand how people compare this to other series.

The dream sequence!!!! That was total non sequitur and went on... and on... and on... and we've gone from not damaging time to bringing the doctor AND her kid to the starship to maximize it. The queen plot has promise, but it's just screaming and singing.


Agree with the contrivances that make up this show just to convey a divisive message as per Hollywood's norm -- attempting to break down honest communications between classic liberals (my side) and new progressive liberals (moderate left today) to honestly debate the manner to achieve what are generally common goals by thrusting wedge edge-case issues... whereas STD pulls the alien destructive wave is actually a "wall" silliness and trot out a CGI-slimmed Stacey Abrahams, this show couldn't settle for metaphors and had to depict actual nazi rapey-minded white dudes all over the place especially in border patrol... never mind the majority of border patrol officers are Hispanic -- at least here in Texas.

Because they don't want us discussing work visas, quotas, and unemployment issues in US versus benefit of increasing workforce like normal, rational human beings -- They want us to import endless waves of people without patriotic identity that will vote for free stuff (hopefully more than once where we can block racist ID laws) giving them endless power. The worst part is, I mostly travel / live part time in Colombia, and more often than not friends cannot visit me because the visa quotas are eaten up by the bodies the cartel is shoving across the border (after raping almost every woman and loading up as many as they can with fentanol balloons).



$10000 per director times 40 = 4 million down the drain. That is a lot of money being wasted.

"Someone without a job, an air freshener that's gone bad and the above post.

Name three things that make no sense."

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"Someone without a job, an air freshener that's gone bad and the above post.

Name three things that make no sense."

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24th century Rios beams over a medical device and gives it to 2024 doctor who knows how to use it instantly without any explanation. Rios who must have had some medical training would me more qualified. Even picard in TNG could do basic first aid. Enough said.
 
Hadn't he spent years in his quantum simulation though? Since for an android 0.68 seconds is "nearly an eternity", maybe he'd just had enough by that point. Also, Data in the quantum simulation is an incomplete copy of the original, based on memories downloaded into B4 – he may feel that he's not the "real" Data
That was my understanding of it - that there just wasn't enough Data left to be able to transfer into a new body, any such attempt would end in failure. There was just this last residual fragment of consciousness, aware of being eternally trapped, and he was ready for that residual half-existence to end now.
You forgot S1's magic wish-granting flute (Thanks, Michael Chabon!)
You mean the fundamental field replicator with a neurocotamic interface? ;) (Yeah, Jurati gave it a technobabble explanation that would normally be all that Trek fans need to feel good about a new piece of tech, but because the 'use your imagination' bit had already come first, no one registered the techie explanation).
24th century Rios beams over a medical device and gives it to 2024 doctor who knows how to use it instantly without any explanation. Rios who must have had some medical training would me more qualified. Even picard in TNG could do basic first aid. Enough said.
Rios was trying to reassure Theresa, to help her feel better. The device was simple enough to use, and being able to help her patient both reassured her and convinced her that Rios was genuine. If he'd used the device himself, she'd probably have freaked out all the more about what he was going to do with it.
 
Right. Because possessing the ability to be objective means having to love everything no matter what. And if you don't LOVE everything then you're just being negative.

I love the show. When it premiered I watched the pilot episode like 5 times that day. I even enjoyed the first season overall when a lot of people didn't. And I thought the first two episodes this season were wonderful and some of the best Trek we've seen in this modern era, and maybe even some of the best period.

When the quality degrades, however, I'm not going to just offer up blind praise like I guess you want people to do.
I feel the same way. truth be told I never liked any startrek episodes in which Q just made stuff happen without any plausible way to understand it. It feels like the writers are just making stuff up without any grounding in reality. It mend anything could happen without any logic at any time. I realy hated that.
 
Rios was trying to reassure Theresa, to help her feel better. The device was simple enough to use, and being able to help her patient both reassured her and convinced her that Rios was genuine. If he'd used the device himself, she'd probably have freaked out all the more about what he was going to do with it.
So, a person she trusted was giving her reassurance and helping her out? Like any new experience?

Weird that someone would be so helpful in Picard.
I feel the same way. truth be told I never liked any startrek episodes in which Q just made stuff happen without any plausible way to understand it. It feels like the writers are just making stuff up without any grounding in reality. It mend anything could happen without any logic at any time. I realy hated that.
You must hate TNG then and parts of TOS. Because a lot of TNG was made up and Voyager doubled down on the stupid technobabble.
 
Scary brown people who aren't loyal to us coming to take away our wealth" is a classic trope of white supremacy.
yep. Somehow I’m not surprised to see this kind of thing brought up by him.

If it was her composition she gets sync rights (big CBS bucks for which she has no need thanks to being married to a movie star).
of course she get paid royalties (even for the performance, not only for the composition), did you actually expect her to work for free?
I wouldn’t inquire on who needs or doesn’t need money, especially in an economic system as unequal as ours.

A recent movie had Vulcans capable of creating planet-destroying black holes with red blobs of liquid stored in a canister. At this point summoning a Q with a ceremonial bottle is no more or no less "real."
as said plenty of times, just because something in past Trek was bad doesn’t mean that’s good if something in new Trek is bad as well.
 
Hey, PIC is likely never going to rank as one of my favorite Trek series short of Season 3 being something really special so I'm sympathetic with the general "new Trek falls short in storytelling" argument but I think people are making far too big a deal out of a ceremonial bottle being used by an alien woman we've known has mysterious powers ever since Season 2 of The Next Generation.

She's weird and so is her species. Bottles that make screaming noises isn't even in the Top 10 of All-Time Weird Trek Stuff.
 
as said plenty of times, just because something in past Trek was bad doesn’t mean that’s good if something in new Trek is bad as well.
It's not a matter of good/bad. It's a matter of how my threshold for good/bad is judging. I won't hold new Trek as "bad" for something old Trek had it in it that was equally "bad" or even worse.
Hey, PIC is likely never going to rank as one of my favorite Trek series short of Season 3 being something really special so I'm sympathetic with the general "new Trek falls short in storytelling" argument but I think people are making far too big a deal out of a ceremonial bottle being used by an alien woman we've known has mysterious powers ever since Season 2 of The Next Generation.

She's weird and so is her species. Bottles that make screaming noises isn't even in the Top 10 of All-Time Weird Trek Stuff.
Yup. The amount of weird stuff that has been worked in to Trek is not going to change how I perceive a story. "Oh, no, weird alien does weird things" is about as Trek as Trek can be.
 
You must hate TNG then and parts of TOS. Because a lot of TNG was made up and Voyager doubled down on the stupid technobabble.
Well the Technobable was something that I could appreciate, as it at least did some efford to be grounded in science, but Q could does stuff tha couldn't even be described with technobable, bordering on pure magic / godlike miracles, which always seemed very lazy writing to me.
 
It's not a matter of good/bad. It's a matter of how my threshold for good/bad is judging. I won't hold new Trek as "bad" for something old Trek had it in it that was equally "bad" or even worse.
not sure what you mean. I found that evocation *really* cringeworthy and no comparison with anything came from me.
 
Well the Technobable was something that I could appreciate, as it at least did some efford to be grounded in science, but Q could does stuff tha couldn't even be described with technobable, bordering on pure magic / godlike miracles, which always seemed very lazy writing to me.
Aliens with science so advanced it seems like magic* is a Star Trek staple since....well, the beginning.

* Someone should create a rule or law along those lines. ;)
 
I really don't understand people getting butthurt when other fans dislike an episode.

I wonder if these people would be yelling at fans for complaining how awful Shades of Gray was when it aired. Or Threshold. Or The Way to Eden. Or any other horrible Star Trek episode over the years, because we've had a lot of them.

These people would be screaming at complaining fans to "StOp WaTcHiNg." If an episode sucks, it sucks. Stop taking it personal. Trek has a long history with crappy episodes, and fans have every right to complain about them while continuing to watch (because it always gets better).
 
I don't think being a massive fan of Star Trek is necessary for writing it

It's worth noting of the "classic" writers of the Berman era, I think Ron Moore was the only one who was a big Trekkie.

In contrast, Kurtzman Trek is full of hardcore Trekkie writers. Goldsman is a huge Trek fan. Chabon is a huge Trek fan. Matalas is a huge Trek fan. Kirsten Beyer is a published author of Trek books. I don't know much of anything regarding the second-stringers used for this season of Picard (a lot of them seem to have worked with Matalas on 12 Monkeys) but there's no doubt that at the top this is a far more fannish writing base than during the Berman era.
 
I really don't understand people getting butthurt when other fans dislike an episode.

I wonder if these people would be yelling at fans for complaining how awful Shades of Gray was when it aired. Or Threshold. Or The Way to Eden. Or any other horrible Star Trek episode over the years, because we've had a lot of them.

These people would be screaming at complaining fans to "StOp WaTcHiNg." If an episode sucks, it sucks. Stop taking it personal. Trek has a long history with crappy episodes, and fans have every right to complain about them while continuing to watch (because it always gets better).
Good old-fashioned gate-keeping is no longer considered just a good idea by some, but has become policy.

The fandom, like literally everything else in the world of late, has become extremely polarized and fractured.
 
Nothing in "Monster" precludes or otherwise contradicts the existence of Robert Picard or in any way establishes Jean-Luc as an only child. The flashbacks in "Monster" are extremely stylized, highly symbolic flashbacks focusing on the particular relationship Jean-Luc had with his mother and father and with one particular incident in which Robert seems so far not to have been involved. That is not a continuity error.

It's also worth noting that Jean-Luc reconciled with Robert in Family - well before his death. Holding enough resentment against Robert to have him part of this weird mental fantasy would really cut against that character growth - not to mention be completely irrelevant to a story about his relationship with his parents.
 
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