What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Vale]

The Enterprise uniforms were simple and pragmatic, probably the most sensible garb in any Trek series.

They are my favourite Trek uniforms for this reason – because they're actually practical duty uniforms. Behold, POCKETS!

The Vulcans should either have worn something similar, or else something like their everyday clothes, with something resembling robes. T'Pol's catsuit was concordant with neither practicality nor tradition.

You might go as far as to say T'Pol's jumpsuits were... illogical.

 

[Oddish]

You might go as far as to say T'Pol's jumpsuits were... illogical.

Insanely. There's no rational justification for it. Aside from "let's make horny fanboys drool."

 

[gweeps]

Insanely. There's no rational justification for it. Aside from "let's make horny fanboys drool."

Exactly. Mind you, it's not her fault she's well proportioned.

Same with Jeri Ryan. Though I really liked when she wore a Starfleet uniform in "Relativity". According to Garrett Wang, Ryan thought the gold uniforms looked terrible on blond-haired people. I agree with Wang that they don't.

 

[Oddish]

The blue looked very handsome on her, and was more appropriate given her position on the ship as head of astrometrics.

 

[Paul755]

Let’s not kid ourselves here, chances are if they had put Seven in a Starfleet uniform it would have been tailored different than Janeway or Torres. I mean, look at how tight Jadzia’s uniform was compared to Ezri.

 

[gweeps]

Let’s not kid ourselves here, chances are if they had put Seven in a Starfleet uniform it would have been tailored different than Janeway or Torres. I mean, look at how tight Jadzia’s uniform was compared to Ezri.

I never noticed. In fact, I never noticed any of this stuff until I read and heard people complaining about it all.

 

[gweeps]

The blue looked very handsome on her, and was more appropriate given her position on the ship as head of astrometrics.

I suppose. It's a science rank, no? Should have kept it that way a la Kes's sudden long hair, despite the episode where it happens in being another time bending excursion.

 

[at Quark's]

Seven was not a Starfleet member so her not wearing a Starfleet uniform was, in itself, appropriate. (Doesn't mean of course they had to go with that ridiculous catsuit.) In Relativity she's only posing as one.

Then again, you could also argue the maquis on board weren't Starfleet to begin with, and they wore Starfleet uniforms as well.

 

[gweeps]

Seven was not a Starfleet member so her not wearing a Starfleet uniform was, in itself, appropriate. (Doesn't mean of course they had to go with that ridiculous catsuit.) In Relativity she's only posing as one.

Then again, you could also argue the maquis on board weren't Starfleet to begin with, and they wore Starfleet uniforms as well.

I was gonna mention just that. lol

Anyway, Jeri Ryan looks a hell of a lot more comfortable in Picard.

 

[FederationHistorian]

DS9 got Worf in S4, and he was kind of their game changer.
Voyager got Seven in S4, same thing.
Enterprise was supposed to get Shran in S5... I'll bet if it had, he'd be theirs.

Suggests that Shran should have become a part of the crew very early on in S4, doesn’t it?

 

[Rahul]

DS9 got Worf in S4, and he was kind of their game changer.
Voyager got Seven in S4, same thing.
Enterprise was supposed to get Shran in S5... I'll bet if it had, he'd be theirs.

Oh yeah. I mean, this isn't a controversial opinion, but - I really, really, really would have liked another season of ENT!

That show really found it's footing in season 3 & 4.

The first two seasons are some of my least favourite, and the latter two some of my most favourite Star Trek seasons. Alas, at the the time circumstances weren't in favour of this show.

 

[Oddish]

Seven was not a Starfleet member so her not wearing a Starfleet uniform was, in itself, appropriate. (Doesn't mean of course they had to go with that ridiculous catsuit.) In Relativity she's only posing as one.

Then again, you could also argue the maquis on board weren't Starfleet to begin with, and they wore Starfleet uniforms as well.

Right. We see Neelix in gold several times, too. And I've seen a composite of Kes in blue. The rule seemed to be "Alpha Quadrant get uniforms, Delta Quadrant wear whatever".

Anyway, Jeri Ryan looks a hell of a lot more comfortable in Picard.

Yeah, really. She wears simple, functional attire, like the Maquis typically did.

Suggests that Shran should have become a part of the crew very early on in S4, doesn’t it?

If they could have done it in a way that made sense. I think if Enterprise had gotten a fifth season, that might have been enough to get it to seven.

 

[Vale]

Anyway, Jeri Ryan looks a hell of a lot more comfortable in Picard.

Being able to breathe on set will do that for you.

 

[Vale]

Seven was not a Starfleet member so her not wearing a Starfleet uniform was, in itself, appropriate. (Doesn't mean of course they had to go with that ridiculous catsuit.) In Relativity she's only posing as one.

Fair point. Neelix wasn't a Starfleet member either, although he wore a Starfleet uniform on a few occasions. While you can argue that Seven and Neelix (and Kes) were just civilian specialists aboard a Starfleet ship – we don't necessarily expect Guinan or Keiko to wear a uniform, for example – they are occupying senior operational positions. When Wesley became conn officer in TNG he was given a unique uniform that was obviously not the same as the rest of the crew's but still in keeping with his position as working on the bridge – he didn't get to wear that excitingly chunky 80s knitwear any more. Further, we see people like Kosinski in TNG: "Where No One Has Gone Before" wearing a Starfleet uniform while apparently not being a Starfleet officer, because they are fulfilling a Starfleet role.

I think what this boils down to is "yes, Seven looked good, but holy crap was it impractical day-to-day wear". And the utility of something more like a Starfleet uniform would have surely appealed to the character's sense of efficiency.

 

[at Quark's]

Ok, so now I'm curious. On which occasions did Neelix wear a Starfleet uniform, then? Honest question.

The only instances I can recall right now is in 'the future' of Before and After, when he might indeed have asked for and gotten a commission sometime in the years between. And in Year of Hell, but those were extreme circumstances, and ultimately a timeline that never happened. Is there an example of him wearing a uniform in the 'real' timeline?

 

[Oddish]

Ok, so now I'm curious. On which occasions did Neelix wear a Starfleet uniform, then? Honest question.

Before and After: No, it didn't actually happen, but it could have. The Year of Hell actually happened, Tuvok became first officer, and Ayala (Voyager's answer to Morn) was presumably head of security. Maybe he was fine with having Neelix on his team.

Year of Hell: Given the conditions, it makes sense that Neelix would wear simple, functional attire.

Tuvix: Yes, cheating here. When Tuvix is separated into his component parts, they are both wearing the same gold uniform he was.

Finally, consider Latent Image: When the EMH is scanning assorted people, Neelix's official rank is Crewman (as opposed to Naomi, who has no rank). This suggests that he is part of the ship's company, and could wear a uniform.

 

[Vale]

Before and After: No, it didn't actually happen, but it could have. The Year of Hell actually happened, Tuvok became first officer, and Ayala (Voyager's answer to Morn) was presumably head of security. Maybe he was fine with having Neelix on his team.

Year of Hell: Given the conditions, it makes sense that Neelix would wear simple, functional attire.

Tuvix: Yes, cheating here. When Tuvix is separated into his component parts, they are both wearing the same gold uniform he was.

Finally, consider Latent Image: When the EMH is scanning assorted people, Neelix's official rank is Crewman (as opposed to Naomi, who has no rank). This suggests that he is part of the ship's company, and could wear a uniform.

There's also those grey "away team" jumpsuits he wears occasionally, like in "Blood Fever":

Interesting that he's consistently shown in operations gold whenever he wears Starfleet attire too, rather than some sort of neutral non-specific grey/black variant.

 

[Vale]

Speaking of clothing in Voyager – we never see another Talaxian wearing Neelix-style clothes. They all seem to be much more generic and earth tone-y. This might be part of his hucksterish persona – think the stereotypical loud garb of a second hand car salesman – but even then the cut of his clothes seems unique, rather than just the colours/fabrics. Compare with, for example, the Ferengi – their clothes all look distinctively individual, but at the same time there's a very specific Ferengi style.

 

[at Quark's]

Before and After: No, it didn't actually happen, but it could have. The Year of Hell actually happened, Tuvok became first officer, and Ayala (Voyager's answer to Morn) was presumably head of security. Maybe he was fine with having Neelix on his team.

Year of Hell: Given the conditions, it makes sense that Neelix would wear simple, functional attire.

Tuvix: Yes, cheating here. When Tuvix is separated into his component parts, they are both wearing the same gold uniform he was.

Finally, consider Latent Image: When the EMH is scanning assorted people, Neelix's official rank is Crewman (as opposed to Naomi, who has no rank). This suggests that he is part of the ship's company, and could wear a uniform.

There's also those grey "away team" jumpsuits he wears occasionally, like in "Blood Fever":

Thank you both. The first two (Before and After and Year of Hell) I already mentioned myself and I see those two instances as parts of divergent timelines (though it shows it could happen).

The third one I agree is not a 'genuine' example (in that it is a direct consequence of Tuvix wearing that uniform). One wonders wat Janeway would have said directly after Tuvok and Neelix rematerialized if she'd really been in a foul mood that day:
JANEWAY: "Mister Tuvok. Mister Neelix. It's good to have you back. Mister Neelix, you have not earned the right to wear that uniform. Report to deuterium maintenance at oh four hundred tomorrow morning; you're going to spend the next two weeks scrubbing the exhaust manifolds."

The other two (Latent Image and Blood Fever) are interesting finds, even though they still don't directly depict Neelix in a regular Starfleet Uniform. Not sure if the jumpsuit status is exactly the same as that of a Starfleet Uniform, but it's close enough.

 

[Oddish]

Interesting that he's consistently shown in operations gold whenever he wears Starfleet attire too, rather than some sort of neutral non-specific grey/black variant.

In B&A, he was part of the ship's security detail. They wear gold as well. And maybe gold is the default color for Starfleet personnel who aren't command or medical or science.