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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Matt Reeves Joker, but he's better known for "The Eternals"
I like it, it's a nice update to his suit from his movies, with some nice bits and pieces from newer suits thrown in.First look at Michael Keatons batsuit in "The Flash"
https://twitter.com/EpicFilmGuys/status/1514676806565117958?cxt=HHwWjICyzfmhm4UqAAAA
That's because the show was never meant to focus all that much on the superheroing, they made it pretty clear from the time the show was first announced this was going to be mostly focused on the Kents' family life. I've actually been pretty happy with the amount of superheroing we've been getting, it's a lot more than I expected before the show started.
I just dawned on me that we're getting Keaton's Batman, and JK Simmonds' Gordon in the Batgirl movie. So I guess that must mean either Keaton stick around in the main DCEU universe after the Flash movie, or at the end we get a mashup universe where those versions of the characters have always coexisted.
It looks like Susan Sarandon is going to be playing Victoria Kord, the Blue Beetle movie's villain, instead of Sharon Stone. I'm fine with that, I like Susan Saradon more than Sharon Stone.
I haven't noticed much of a change...
Actually it happened after the 1st episode, but I got through the whole season on the high I got from seeing it
It's a leaked photo of a costume test though so I'm not surprised it looks off in that photo.
These kinds of things aren't uncommon. It's not hard to get into a drunk tank depending where you're living.
That's confirmed? Yeah, that'll do it then. Im not too excited about it, but so many BTS shots of costumes look crap and the look great on film. Angle, lighting, distance, it can make a huge difference. We'll see
It seems to be confirmed by the fan community and those in the know. There's no official confirmation that a picture was leaked but I have seen variations of this leaked picture online and it seems many are hesitant to repost it because it is leaked.
Again, I don't know why they don't just give us an official picture. We've had loads of leaked photos from Batgirl. What's the harm in showing the goods in a proper light.
Or the series is just moving toward its intended tone and format: some rinse-and-repeat "threat" (anything to do with Clark's family / alternate worlds, etc.), but those (largely) inconsequential plots will always take a back seat to the young adult drama with light superhero associations.
Yeah, that's openly the show's premise.
Guys they're gonna restore the Snyderverse
Probably.
Maybe.
...likely not. But another new direction is coming.
i can't believe you guys moved on from this so quickly. This is potentially big news... I am multicultural -- i like DC AND Marvel, but have been hugely disappointed in the management of DC material.
Like @Christopher , i thought Geoff Johns was SUPPOSED to be their Kevin Feige... though it seems like at least Snyder put him to the side (as opposed to Patty Jenkins, who seems to have seriously worked with him), and created a mess that sabotaged all the good things that he did with a bunch of unnecessary things.
I liken it to Sports teams... there is a finite number of fans, but can be expanded by creating something around a particular market (geography in case of sports). Some people are able to follow all of it, though there enough people to make each inidivual team profitable (potentially).
With DC, however, the audience for "all" of it it small (smaller than that of baseball), and each indivudal market might not be enough to sustain. Marvel has been able to build a fanbase that while some properties might have a "niche" audience (such as Black Panther), they have been able to scale it such that a group (in their case, a pretty big group) can follow all (or at least most ) of their material , and create momentum for the next thing.
DC stuff seems to be overload, such that most people could nOT follow everythng (or even most) things even if they wanted to.... but have often turned off people from wanting to be invested in it. For example, they have had 4 Bruce Waynes (Affleck, Pattinson, Batwoman's Brice Wayne, and now the return of Keaton) and 2 Supermen and 2 Flashes within at least a 5 year period (Flash, actually much longer).
It's just nuts , and bad business sense. I WANT it to succeed, but i just can't get pumped for it. It's just so messy, and i am just not motivated to see the "next" thing, the way i am with Marvel.
Not to mention 3 Joker's.
Leto
Phoenix
Keoghan
They want a "gritty" version and PG-13 version that can connect to a larger universe. Judging by this quote they're going to continue to branch out
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/dc-warner-bros-discovery-zaslav-hbo-max-1235232185/
And we might have a third Superman in the wings who is Black too.
Marvels likes a more linear approach compared to DC's branching of certain characters.
Leto
Phoenix
Keoghan
They want a "gritty" version and PG-13 version that can connect to a larger universe. Judging by this quote they're going to continue to branch out
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/dc-warner-bros-discovery-zaslav-hbo-max-1235232185/
And we might have a third Superman in the wings who is Black too.
Marvels likes a more linear approach compared to DC's branching of certain characters.
I don't think this has been mentioned on here yet, KJ Apa and Isabel May have been cast as the Zan & Jayna in Wonder Twins. Apa is best known for play Archie in Riverdale, and May is best known for playing Veronica Duncan in Young Sheldon, and Elsa Dutton on 1883.
I haven't seen Apa in Riverdale, but I have seen May in both Young Sheldon and 1883, and she was good in Young Sheldon, and has been phenomenal in 1883.
I haven't seen Apa in Riverdale, but I have seen May in both Young Sheldon and 1883, and she was good in Young Sheldon, and has been phenomenal in 1883.
These are larger than life, legendary characters. Bigger than any one actor. It's DC's biggest strength that they allow differing concurrent adaptations, and aren't afraid to push them in different directions (with Titans' bitter old monster Bruce Wayne being the obvious example)
The continuity obsessives who want one big universe where every detail must line up, and they react like a cat that's been stepped on with every minor change, can reside with Marvel and Star Trek. DC doesn't need that stuff. And that's it's biggest strength. It's Worlds of DC, plural.
There's a reason the live action audience for "all" of DC is small: they--and DC--never needed all of its properties to share the same "house"; you would struggle to count a large number of people who wanted the DCEU connected to the CW or old productions on one hand. Snyder established a tight, progressive film universe that never needed the leavings and frankly, creatively challenged productions from TV (Black Lightning being the one exception) or other sources in order to tell a growing story. He (and only a few at WB) realized no one was going to be served with 80 movies and TV series all crushed together like a mass casualty car accident, because that model quickly leads to overproduction, next to no creative heart and the conveyor-belt production mentality.
Its up to the individual audience member to accept or disregard the numbers of versions a studio produces or force-fits into a franchise, otherwise, you throw your hands up. On that point, within two decades, you have three Spider-Men in a collective 11 films (3 Raimi / 2 Garfield / 6 Holland), two Banner/Hulks--Marvel's biggest flagship characters--and two Rhodeys. I'd throw Blade in there, but i'm not certain the Snipes Blade productions will be considered in-universe canon like the previous two Spider-Men).
I only see what I care to, and if its connected to a solid continuity--but the latter is usually ruined and turned into a free-for-all cartoon when a studio has a patently non-creatively motivated desire to play with all of the toys, instead of doing anything because of creative need.
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Exactly. IMO it's an odd complaint coming from a Marvel fan considering we've had three Spidermans in the movies, three Hulks in the movies, along with two studios creating their own Spiderman universes. And good luck trying to make heads or trails of the comics because there have been so many reboots and versions of the spiderman character running at the same time that it's almost impossible to follow. And since Endgame we've got a different Captain America ,will soon have two versions of Thor and I'm pretty sure a new version of Black Panther. If I dont have interest in those new versions, then I'm done with those characters because there won't be any more versions of them until they get recast or "re-imagined".
With D.C, if I don't care for Superman and Lois, it won't affect me knowing what's going on in the next Superman movie. Or if I miss the Flash and Batwoman films it won't affect my enjoyment of the next Matt Reeves Batman flick. I'm so glad that DC abandoned the shared universe thing. Movies become to paint by the numbers and it handstraps directors by forcing them all to work within the same box.
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So you guys have NOT read comics in the 80's? Because most of them took place in their respective universes (Marvel hadn't dived deep into the mutltiverse at that stage, and much of what DC did was Earth 1, with Infinity Inc. and All Star Squadron being the regular titles for Earth 2). And despite DC's need to create the Crisis on Infinite Earths, it all seemed to work pretty well.
And for years before that... they shared the same universe, though
Just so you know, @TREK_GOD_1 and @ichab , I AM VERY aware of the mutiple SPidermen. The thing is , Tom Holland's Spiderman appeared just about when Tobey Maguire would have "retired" anyway. So I wouldn''t have considered that overlap -- rather it would be the RIGHT time for a new dominant incarnation. I see Garfield's version as Sony's greed to keep the movie rights, and thus why it ultimately failed. (However, I appreciated No Way Home's redemption of that version). The thing is...I hope that when Holland feels he is done with Spidey (I am guessing 5-7 years), that they then go with Miles Morales. We can diversify in a natural way while giving Spiderman a fresh look for the next generation. We are getting that with Iron Man, and already with Hawkeye and Black Widow.
With X-Men... that too is 20 years old... they ended it with Logan (but sputtered out with Dark Phoenix and New Mutants), so a new version will be welcome.
With Blade, there is like a 20 year gap, so i don't expect Wesley Snipes to still be an immortal hero by now. So here too, the time span is just right for a new incarnation (though I am surprised they didn't go with a younger actor)
Arrowverse Flash was 25 years after the 1990 version. And they created AWESOME buzz for the new show by showing respect with that came before by John Wesley Schipp's role. They didn't NEED to do Jay Garrick of the death of Earth 90 FLash...but that too worked out.
As for the Hulk & RHodey... these are examples of how Marvel was able to smoothly fix a problem without disrupting the overall flow. I don't think either actor made such an impression at their first go around that it hugely hurt anything moving forward (as opposed to if RDJ was fired after the first Iron Man; we will see how they handle BLack Panther). That's fine if you want to debate that point. But i feel like they did a better job than what DC has done.
Oh, and the new version of Captain America -- that flowed quite nicely from the Steve Rogers version, where Sam WIlson picking it up doesn't feel forced, or done for greed. Chris Evans had a good 10 years at it, but also developed ANthony Mackie, so that i didn't "need" Falcon and WInter Soldier to sell me on the idea, but it sure helped, and i was excited to see it (and Cap 4, when it comes)
I understand that most of you guys don't want to follow everything anyway. That's fine.But MCU is set up, NOT JUST for those who want to follow everything, but if you only like one type (such as the sillier Guardians of the Galaxy, or the Afrocentric Black Panther), there is room for you too. You can follow your "thing" just fine, though those who embrace to the whole MCU get some EXTRA enjoyment.
The problem with DC's oversaturation , in my view, is that they are like Michelle Yeoh's multiverse movie, "Everythign, Everywhere ALL AT ONCE!"
That even goes down to the Arrowverse. Instead of (at least for a short time) having 5 series on ALL AT ONCE, they should have had only 2 or 3 series for Fall, SPring and Summer. One serious (Arrow, Batwoman, Black Lightning), one " standard hero" (FLash/Supergirl/StarGirl), and "other" (such as the comedy of Legends). Other than Stargirl, all these characters for decades inhabited Earth 1. And they did so, while still being their own thing. Other than the big crossover events (like Crisis), there was no need to interact all that often.
You guys say you won't follow other versions if you don't like it. That's fine and all, but from a business standpoint, why would they want to make more stuff if they can't make money, which will happen if they can't generate buzz about the "next big thing"/get bad buzz from what comes out?
I mean...is Titans REALLY doing that well, especially after taking so long to get Starfire a decent costume (and not being able to have an Orange Starfire, like many black cosplayers have done, and looking better than the show, I might add) . DC TV has also suffered from their oversaturation, with FLash down to #3 (after the Walker reboot and S&L)
Let's see where we land in 5 years...what will be around in Infinity & Beyond? When we look at those infographics showing the calendar... it is interetsing how Marvel compares to DC....and what people talk about/watch and anticipate nowadays.
And for years before that... they shared the same universe, though
Just so you know, @TREK_GOD_1 and @ichab , I AM VERY aware of the mutiple SPidermen. The thing is , Tom Holland's Spiderman appeared just about when Tobey Maguire would have "retired" anyway. So I wouldn''t have considered that overlap -- rather it would be the RIGHT time for a new dominant incarnation. I see Garfield's version as Sony's greed to keep the movie rights, and thus why it ultimately failed. (However, I appreciated No Way Home's redemption of that version). The thing is...I hope that when Holland feels he is done with Spidey (I am guessing 5-7 years), that they then go with Miles Morales. We can diversify in a natural way while giving Spiderman a fresh look for the next generation. We are getting that with Iron Man, and already with Hawkeye and Black Widow.
With X-Men... that too is 20 years old... they ended it with Logan (but sputtered out with Dark Phoenix and New Mutants), so a new version will be welcome.
With Blade, there is like a 20 year gap, so i don't expect Wesley Snipes to still be an immortal hero by now. So here too, the time span is just right for a new incarnation (though I am surprised they didn't go with a younger actor)
Arrowverse Flash was 25 years after the 1990 version. And they created AWESOME buzz for the new show by showing respect with that came before by John Wesley Schipp's role. They didn't NEED to do Jay Garrick of the death of Earth 90 FLash...but that too worked out.
As for the Hulk & RHodey... these are examples of how Marvel was able to smoothly fix a problem without disrupting the overall flow. I don't think either actor made such an impression at their first go around that it hugely hurt anything moving forward (as opposed to if RDJ was fired after the first Iron Man; we will see how they handle BLack Panther). That's fine if you want to debate that point. But i feel like they did a better job than what DC has done.
Oh, and the new version of Captain America -- that flowed quite nicely from the Steve Rogers version, where Sam WIlson picking it up doesn't feel forced, or done for greed. Chris Evans had a good 10 years at it, but also developed ANthony Mackie, so that i didn't "need" Falcon and WInter Soldier to sell me on the idea, but it sure helped, and i was excited to see it (and Cap 4, when it comes)
I understand that most of you guys don't want to follow everything anyway. That's fine.But MCU is set up, NOT JUST for those who want to follow everything, but if you only like one type (such as the sillier Guardians of the Galaxy, or the Afrocentric Black Panther), there is room for you too. You can follow your "thing" just fine, though those who embrace to the whole MCU get some EXTRA enjoyment.
The problem with DC's oversaturation , in my view, is that they are like Michelle Yeoh's multiverse movie, "Everythign, Everywhere ALL AT ONCE!"
That even goes down to the Arrowverse. Instead of (at least for a short time) having 5 series on ALL AT ONCE, they should have had only 2 or 3 series for Fall, SPring and Summer. One serious (Arrow, Batwoman, Black Lightning), one " standard hero" (FLash/Supergirl/StarGirl), and "other" (such as the comedy of Legends). Other than Stargirl, all these characters for decades inhabited Earth 1. And they did so, while still being their own thing. Other than the big crossover events (like Crisis), there was no need to interact all that often.
You guys say you won't follow other versions if you don't like it. That's fine and all, but from a business standpoint, why would they want to make more stuff if they can't make money, which will happen if they can't generate buzz about the "next big thing"/get bad buzz from what comes out?
I mean...is Titans REALLY doing that well, especially after taking so long to get Starfire a decent costume (and not being able to have an Orange Starfire, like many black cosplayers have done, and looking better than the show, I might add) . DC TV has also suffered from their oversaturation, with FLash down to #3 (after the Walker reboot and S&L)
Let's see where we land in 5 years...what will be around in Infinity & Beyond? When we look at those infographics showing the calendar... it is interetsing how Marvel compares to DC....and what people talk about/watch and anticipate nowadays.
I love the whole MCU, but I appreciate DC's approach too. I have to admire DC for being smart enough to realize that trying to copy the MCU wasn't working for them, and change their approach. They haven't totally abandoned the DCEU since we're still getting Suicide Squad/Harley Quinn, Flash, and Aquaman movies all set in that universe.
That isn't really the same as what people are talking about with DC, those are all new characters taking on the old characters superhero name, not new actors playing the same character.