Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x07 - "Monsters"

[Mr Awe]

For what it's worth I like the 2024 stuff. But so many on here seem to hate it.

I don't mind the 2024 stuff myself either. It's the lack of a plot moving forward that gets tedious, but that's not a 2024 thing.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

It's not clear what True Trek even is. At least Star Wars has the original films of episodes 4-6 to fall back on that even the most vicious warring factions all seem to like. I don't think TOS has that same hold due to not aging as well as the SW films, even with the remastered effects.

Only "teh Primeline" is true Trek!

 

[Mr Awe]

Again, you say it's common but common to who? When I talk and educate people about endorphins one of the first ideas that jump to mind for them is "breaking something." Not exercise, not sex, or whatever. Something are very visceral. Breaking things is one of those things.

Sorry, but I highly doubt that unless you're talking to a subpopulation that is different from the general population. Normal people link endorphins with happiness and pleasure.

 

[fireproof78]

Sorry, but I highly doubt that unless you're talking to a subpopulation that is different from the general population. Normal people link endorphins with happiness and pleasure.

Well, I am working with people who are struggling with mental illness.

But, even so, I don't see "I need an endorphin rush! Let's have sex" as common parlance, even among my mental health colleagues. Exercise, maybe? Breaking things counts as exercise.

But, then, we are not usually talking about endorphins. Usually dopamine, seratonin and the like.

And finally, I am not normal.

 

[eschaton]

Sorry, but I highly doubt that unless you're talking to a subpopulation that is different from the general population. Normal people link endorphins with happiness and pleasure.

I'm one of those weird people who doesn't enjoy rollercoasters, so I can't imagine breaking things on purpose to be much fun.

 

[Mr Awe]

Well, I am working with people who are struggling with mental illness.

Well, there you go. You're talking with a certain subpopulation that's not representative of the overall population.

 

[Mr Awe]

I'm one of those weird people who doesn't enjoy rollercoasters, so I can't imagine breaking things on purpose to be much fun.

I freaking LOVE rollercoasters. But I too don't associate breaking things with fun.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, there you go. You're talking with certain subpopulation that's not representative of the overall population.

I still don't hear the average person talking endorphins. Regardless, this isn't a normal situation for Agnes. So I would not treat it as a normal person would.

But, this is just variance on my experience. Exception noted and I appreciate the clarification. I usually am talking serotonin. Endorphins I associate with pain numbing, i.e. pushing through a run, not pleasure.

But, I do know of people breaking things for fun. Mental Health Professionals. We are an odd bunch. They went here, if you are interested in different kind of rush.

 

[Quinton]

Phew, glad to see lots more people who enjoyed the episode now.

 

[Fateor]

I'm going to withhold full judgement until the whole situation gets explained, but there's a bit not sitting right with me about the whole Picard family situation. Let's accept the notion that Mama Picard refused treatment, despite it being shown that she was a danger to her children. And that danger apparently isn't reason enough to have her committed, or else the option doesn't exist within the Federation. So then Papa Picard just...keeps her locked up until she comes down from her manic state whenever she has a swing, and hopes he finds Jean-Luc in time again next time? And also allows wee Jean-Luc to stand by while his mother pounds on the door and pleads to be let out/for him to save her?

Whoof. From what we know right now, it's still a bad look for Papa Picard. He couldn't force his wife's hand, but he had a responsibility to minimize the harm, emotional and otherwise, to the kids, and it doesn't look like he did so. But we'll see how that all wraps up; sounds like there's more coming on that front.

Keep in mind, a big thing about Bipolar Disorder is that it can get worse with age.

So the thing we saw with child Jean Luc? That could very well have been the worst she had ever been, up to that point.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

I suppose the Queen could direct Agnes to take a hammer to high-end vehicles...like Soong's!

Or have her join a flash mob. I dunno.

 

[Kahloke]

77) The season has been steadily going downhill altogether. Wonder if its on purpose so that the writers can slap us like Q slapped Picard earlier in the season?

I doubt that it’s a coincidence that the second half of the season had Akiva Goldsman as showrunner. Everything he touches in a creative capacity ends up as a dumpster fire. I am sure, however, that he is a competent administrator, and shows up on time.

So far, I don’t hate any of the concepts that have been presented this season. If anything, a lot of them would make for good standalone episodes. Childhood trauma (Picard), loneliness in a technological wonderland (Jurati), losing one’s self in the/a romance in a past era (Rios), the Borg as victims (Queen/Jurati), an inability to connect… these are all wonderful themes that deserve the Trek treatment. But the current Trek *format* can’t support any of these ideas. The current highly compressed, serialized iteration has to bounce around before any emotional beats can be had that satisfy or resonate.

Not every episode needs to be action packed. Not every scene needs a callback. Not every plot needs to be touched on every episode.

I watch, I see the ideas introduced and think “Man, I’d love to see this idea breathe a little. Too bad there’s going to be a phaser fight ten seconds from now.”

 

[Jedi Marso]

I always thought of it as them beaming the guard and Christopher into their places at the exact second when they were beamed up. It doesn't look that way in the episode, but it's what I always thought.

That actually makes sense, but not the part where they wouldn't remember anything they had subjectively experienced. Your explanation at least accounts for the physical transport working out.

 

[eschaton]

I freaking LOVE rollercoasters. But I too don't associate breaking things with fun.

I look at it like eating extremely spicy food. Sometimes I do it just to prove I can, but I just grip the bar as tight as possible and try and not make a sound.

The idea of "letting go" by screaming is totally alien to me,

 

[Tuskin38]

Oh that's neat
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1515046549469999110

 

[trek.]

They even painted Janeways coffee table black... Why are nuTrek sets always so dark?

 

[FederationHistorian]

I doubt that it’s a coincidence that the second half of the season had Akiva Goldsman as showrunner. Everything he touches in a creative capacity ends up as a dumpster fire. I am sure, however, that he is a competent administrator, and shows up on time.

So far, I don’t hate any of the concepts that have been presented this season. If anything, a lot of them would make for good standalone episodes. Childhood trauma (Picard), loneliness in a technological wonderland (Jurati), losing one’s self in the/a romance in a past era (Rios), the Borg as victims (Queen/Jurati), an inability to connect… these are all wonderful themes that deserve the Trek treatment. But the current Trek *format* can’t support any of these ideas. The current highly compressed, serialized iteration has to bounce around before any emotional beats can be had that satisfy or resonate.

Not every episode needs to be action packed. Not every scene needs a callback. Not every plot needs to be touched on every episode.

I watch, I see the ideas introduced and think “Man, I’d love to see this idea breathe a little. Too bad there’s going to be a phaser fight ten seconds from now.”

It could have been done, if each episode was structured to be a layer of Picard’s psyche. They started with the Confederation, and then went to 2024 and have stayed there for 5 episodes straight for what could have been a single episode, when they could have kept jumping around to different environments/timelines/universe each episode while still focusing on Picard himself

One ep – childhood trauma (basically the recent episode, minus the Raffi & Seven, and Rios & Teresa subplots)
Next ep – loneliness (Jurati taking the place of Talinn/Laris)
Next ep- lost in a past love (Rios taking the place of Talinn/Laris)
Next ep – borg as victims (Jurati & Seven taking the place of Talinn/Laris)

Enterprise showed everyone long ago how to have continuing arcs where each episode could still function as a standalone episode decades ago with the Romulan mine arc and the journey to Risa arc.

 

[Tuskin38]

They even painted Janeways coffee table black... Why are nuTrek sets always so dark?

I don't think they painted it black, that's just the reflections. Look at the side closest to the camera.

 

[Simba]

They should never ever put filler episodes in a very short season, I would forgive them if it was season 1 but season 2 come on? Anyways the episode as a whole was decent but the placing of it made it seems as if it doesn’t move the plot forward but still gave it 7/10 cos I’m that generous lol.

 

[jackoverfull]

Mariner & crew

now I demand a time travel LDS episode. We know they are going there someday, right?

14) I’d imagine it would take her time to go back and forth to her apartment. Next we have no idea how late in the night Picard was taken to the clinic. And at least the sun comes up in LA. It has never come up once where La Sirena is ever since it crashed. You’d think the planet was tidally locked or something.

in this episode there was a shot of la sirena at daytime (looked like morning).

22-24, 37-38, 41-47, 52, 55-56, 68, 74-76) We get it, the characters are all stupid and the writing leaves a lot to be desired. To be fair, it was all better last season, but fans complained.

this season is much more to my liking than the last (that I still enjoyed).

39) Or Renee has an “accident” and falls out the window of whatever hotel she’s staying at when Europa gala security pays her a visit, courtesy of Adam Soong.

just because he’s on the board doesn’t mean he can order security to mille her.

Sorry, but I highly doubt that unless you're talking to a subpopulation that is different from the general population. Normal people link endorphins with happiness and pleasure.

It’s more about emotional release, I seem to understand. It’s why some people grows addicted to fighting, for example.

I watch, I see the ideas introduced and think “Man, I’d love to see this idea breathe a little. Too bad there’s going to be a phaser fight ten seconds from now.”

the last phaser fight was more than a month ago…