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Spoilers Why is season 2 set in 2024 and not 2023 or 2025?

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Seven episodes in, and I have to be honest, this 21st century plot has lost me. Largely because I do not understand as to why 2024 is the setting for this story.

The season started off strong with the Stargazer and a Federation fleet facing off against a re-emergent Borg. Afterwards, Q returned and we saw the Confederation, where Picard is not a paragon of virtue that presents the Federation, but a totalitarian madman leading the Confederation of Earth. We did not stay there long because the change that leads to the Confederation supposedly happens in 2024, as that’s the year the Europa mission occurs, with Renee Picard as a part of the crew. And Renee, who overcomes her issues with anxiety to do the mission, will discover an organism on Io during that mission.

Now when 2024 is mentioned in regards to Trek, its brings to mind the events of “Past Tense” and particularly the Bell Riots. And we know that event is important enough that San Francisco is a much rougher environment in 2048 than how it was supposed to be. Season two of PIC being set just under five months from that event suggests there will be a backstory as to how those events happened. How they “let everything get so bad” as Bashir put it.

But for a season that has been dropping all of these easter eggs regarding Trek – and easter eggs being dropped is a feature of Kurtzman Trek in general - nothing of actual meaning seems to be occurring in relation to these events. No mention of Picard being vaguely familiar with the name Bell. No discussion at the gala by the attendants regarding the political climate and someone named Chen either being the governor of California or about to win a recall for governor within a week and being in favour of raids by ICE and other law enforcement agencies. Nothing suggesting naivety about how the sanctuary districts in San Francisco are seen as being the safest in the nation and how riots or violence in general would never happen there. Nothing about the introduction of UHC cards being the latest way to make life comfortable for the residents of sanctuary districts. Even for characters like Teresa or Renee, not even an easter egg of having Gabriel Bell (and Rain Robinson too, since this season is set in LA) on a contacts list on either of their phones to suggest a connection to them. At least then, those easter eggs make sense and help with everything taking place being consequential. All we’ve seen is a sanctuary district to remind us that we are in 2024 and that’s it.

If the change had been in say, 2155, due to John Frederick Paxton being successful in destroying Starfleet Command and speaking at the founding ceremony of Confederation six year later (to be the polar opposite of Archer and the founding of the Federation), or in the late 2060s where first contact was with the Kzinti instead of the Vulcans, that would make sense. And would even benefit the writers as they would not have to worry about fitting their story within continuity at all. But for whatever reason, 2024 is the setting. Not 2023 or 2025, even though the story told so far in PIC S2 could have fit in either year. Europa mission could still happen in either year. Adam Soong trying to find a cure for Kore could have happened in either year. Neither of which seem to be connected to Gabriel Bell and sanctuary districts at all, aside from rich people being focused on fixing problems they deem important to themselves. So, exactly like today basically. Now one of those detainees freed by Raffi and Seven turning out to be a really bad person and causing someone important to die would be a timeline altering event, but there’s no indication that it will bite them in the ass, and even if it does that only happens because the La Sirena crew was brought to 2024 in the first place.

Now, there is a possibility that 2024 is actually a representation of the Q Continuum. We’ve seen the Q Continuum be represented by events and places relatable to humans, in the form of the American civil war to represent to civil war in the Continuum, and a station by a road in the desert to represent a stagnant Continuum. Since Raffi mentioned how 2024 is the world that exits before it all fell apart, its possible that 2024 is a warning that the Continuum is about to fall apart. The thing is we don’t really know what it means in term of when everything falls apart. There is no fixed date for that. Which means we have no real reason as to why 2024 would be chosen as the representation of the Q Continuum over 2023 or 2025, as the only real significance to them is that Sisko took the role of Bell during the Bell Riots. And we know that Sisko’s path is guided by the Prophets, and that Sisko did punch Q. Are the Q trying to stay out of the Prophet’s way while signaling something to Picard regarding Sisko and the Prophets?

But then the Borg are involved as well. And it’s known that Q, as the being that introduced Picard to the Borg, also does not want to provoke the Borg. And I’m sure that there is no love lost between Sisko and the Borg either, just as the Federation has no love lost for the Borg. Although the Federation is sure comfortable using Borg tech for their starships

And on top of this, this all relates to Picard being reluctant to explore himself in relation to love, according to Guinan. And Picard not changing in the way that matters, according to Q.

With what has been seen so far, I don’t feel like anything important is being said with the story this season at all. At least anything that relates to needing 2024 to be the setting this season for all of the ongoing plots.
 
It probably isn't important, save as reminders of personal hurt and history, while being in a foreign environment allowing for that reflection.
 
I'm not sure I see why 2024 needs to be important? It's close enough to seem like now and far enough away to allow a little creative license with technologies and world events. It's not too close to the events of 2026 and beyond. It allows the show to make all kinds of use of contemporary situations like car chases and bus rides and galas to fun effect.

We know Matalas wanted to tell a contemporary story, so setting this season in some future period of Star Trek history wouldn't fit his vision. Not that your suggested story isn't good! It's just a fundamentally different story.
 
DS9’s “Past Tense” and the Bell Riots have absolutely nothing to do with this story. Why they chose that date and showed some sanctuary districts but didn’t actually develop a story around them eludes me. Guess they were just Easter eggs like that guy on the bus.

Seven episodes in and I still have no idea why Adam Soong would be the father of the Confederacy and make future humans want to conquer all other alien races. I also have no idea what the significance is of Renee Picard’s Europa mission, or why Q was trying to dissuade her from going. And I certainly still have no idea what any of Q’s meddling has to do with Picard. Obviously they want to take that character down the road of family abuse survivor and mental illness (which of course we never knew about before), but what Soong, the Confederacy, or Q have to do with any of that is still a mystery that I have a suspicion will not be answered in three more episodes.
 
I think we're overthinking this. They probably set it in 2024 because they didn't know when the show would actually air. They didn't want to guess wrong and have the brand new season instantly seem dated (have it set in 2021, but air in 2022).

2024 had the added bonus of getting fans to speculate whether the plot would be connected to the Bell Riots, even though the Bell Riots were in San Francisco (Northern California) and this is in Southern California.
 
Again: the Bell Riots spread to every US city with a Sanctuary District, or so I understood from "Past Tense".
 
Again: the Bell Riots spread to every US city with a Sanctuary District, or so I understood from "Past Tense".
The Riot itself was strictly contained to Sanctuary District A in San Francisco. What happened after the Riots was the general public began to see the Sanctuary District system as the injustice it was which got the ball rolling to the entire system being reexamined and eventually all the Districts across the US were shut down in time.
 
Again: the Bell Riots spread to every US city with a Sanctuary District, or so I understood from "Past Tense".
So basically the frequent protests we have in the US then over racial tensions. If anything DS9 was incorrect in portraying Bell Riots as this one time unique thing.
 
I believe a producer came out and said that it was 2024, because they didn’t want to have to show the COVID situation on Earth, etc. So, they moved the show forward a few years.
 
Now when 2024 is mentioned in regards to Trek, its brings to mind the events of “Past Tense” and particularly the Bell Riots. And we know that event is important enough that San Francisco is a much rougher environment in 2048 than how it was supposed to be. Season two of PIC being set just under five months from that event suggests there will be a backstory as to how those events happened. How they “let everything get so bad” as Bashir put it.

But for a season that has been dropping all of these easter eggs regarding Trek – and easter eggs being dropped is a feature of Kurtzman Trek in general - nothing of actual meaning seems to be occurring in relation to these events. No mention of Picard being vaguely familiar with the name Bell. No discussion at the gala by the attendants regarding the political climate and someone named Chen either being the governor of California or about to win a recall for governor within a week and being in favour of raids by ICE and other law enforcement agencies. Nothing suggesting naivety about how the sanctuary districts in San Francisco are seen as being the safest in the nation and how riots or violence in general would never happen there. Nothing about the introduction of UHC cards being the latest way to make life comfortable for the residents of sanctuary districts. Even for characters like Teresa or Renee, not even an easter egg of having Gabriel Bell (and Rain Robinson too, since this season is set in LA) on a contacts list on either of their phones to suggest a connection to them. At least then, those easter eggs make sense and help with everything taking place being consequential. All we’ve seen is a sanctuary district to remind us that we are in 2024 and that’s it.

It's by design.

The producers have stated from the very beginning that they don't want to load a ton of backstory on the viewers. Not everyone in the audience has seen Deep Space Nine.
 
It probably isn't important, save as reminders of personal hurt and history, while being in a foreign environment allowing for that reflection.

That’s definitely how the setting is being written. Less about the event itself and more as somewhere that it familiar to the audience.

Well that was a lot is words.

It definitely displays a lot of thought on the subject.

I'm not sure I see why 2024 needs to be important? It's close enough to seem like now and far enough away to allow a little creative license with technologies and world events. It's not too close to the events of 2026 and beyond. It allows the show to make all kinds of use of contemporary situations like car chases and bus rides and galas to fun effect.

We know Matalas wanted to tell a contemporary story, so setting this season in some future period of Star Trek history wouldn't fit his vision. Not that your suggested story isn't good! It's just a fundamentally different story.

I don’t mind the contemporary story. It seems to be a Trek tradition, as seen with TOS, VOY and ENT.

And I can tell that Renee Picard participating in an important event in 2024 like Gabriel Bell is a parallel drawn between them.

But you’d think there’d be some sort of awareness of the Bell Riots after the Defiant ended up in 2024. Did Sisko, Bashir, O’Brien, Kira and Jadzia seriously not talk about it with anyone else in Starfleet once they returned home? And we can add Ezri to this too since she inherited the Dax symbiont and all of the memories that came with it.

DS9’s “Past Tense” and the Bell Riots have absolutely nothing to do with this story. Why they chose that date and showed some sanctuary districts but didn’t actually develop a story around them eludes me. Guess they were just Easter eggs like that guy on the bus.

Seven episodes in and I still have no idea why Adam Soong would be the father of the Confederacy and make future humans want to conquer all other alien races. I also have no idea what the significance is of Renee Picard’s Europa mission, or why Q was trying to dissuade her from going. And I certainly still have no idea what any of Q’s meddling has to do with Picard. Obviously they want to take that character down the road of family abuse survivor and mental illness (which of course we never knew about before), but what Soong, the Confederacy, or Q have to do with any of that is still a mystery that I have a suspicion will not be answered in three more episodes.

Has Q even revealed himself to be an alien to Soong? Is Renee’s mission vital to the 21st century United Earth movement by revealing alien life to the world? Are they saying that without her, Soong gains enough influence to get Earth to focus on eugenics instead of life in outer space? Even though that makes no sense since going into space seems to be just as important to Soong as eugenics is. This is something that needs to be explained better.

I think we're overthinking this. They probably set it in 2024 because they didn't know when the show would actually air. They didn't want to guess wrong and have the brand new season instantly seem dated (have it set in 2021, but air in 2022).

2024 had the added bonus of getting fans to speculate whether the plot would be connected to the Bell Riots, even though the Bell Riots were in San Francisco (Northern California) and this is in Southern California.

I’m not sure how the show would be dated being set in 2021 while airing in 2022. A number of events have occurred in Star Trek that have not happened in the real world. Star Trek is clearly an alternate timeline by now.

There was definite speculation of relation to the Bell Riots when the season 2 trailer was released.

I believe a producer came out and said that it was 2024, because they didn’t want to have to show the COVID situation on Earth, etc. So, they moved the show forward a few years.

That’s fine. Although it highlights my point that it did not need to be set in 2024, since 2025 is as distant from the Covid situation as 2024 is. And sanctuary districts could still be an easter egg, but maybe with condemned signs overlayed all over the place to signal that they are about to be torn down and the place abandoned.

It's by design.

The producers have stated from the very beginning that they don't want to load a ton of backstory on the viewers. Not everyone in the audience has seen Deep Space Nine.

Its fine that not everyone has seen DS9. But those that have seen DS9 are rightfully going to be wondering about the setting.

Or does that mean there shouldn’t have mentioned a General Sisko earlier in the season, since those that never watched DS9 don’t know of the significance of that easter egg?
 
Different Easter Eggs will carry different weight. Passing knowledge of a characters name is different than background details.
 
I don't think it's any more complicated than "they just chose 2024!"

It's the 2020s. Once we're passed the Pandemic (which we're getting closer and closer to), whichever year it is in that decade doesn't matter. I'm not going to pretend it does.
 
I believe a producer came out and said that it was 2024, because they didn’t want to have to show the COVID situation on Earth, etc. So, they moved the show forward a few years.
Makes sense.

Also, this 2024 is the Confederation timeline, it just hasn't happened yet. Bell probably either never existed, or died. Same with all those other things people are fussing about.
 
When they first suggested they would travel back to 2024, an US election year, I feared they would correlate a freak accident during US presidency election would cause the wrong man to be elected that would eventually lead to the fascist Space Empire of the future instead of the multi species Federation Star Trek future. Fortunately it wasn't but now they have to correlate 2024 technology with a near future mission to Io which we clearly don't have the technology for today (or 2024) and would require at least 20 more year of development. So it would have been more logical that they traveled back to 2044 where we might have the technology to make something ambitious like that possible. So why didn't they do it? It might be as simple as budget restrains or because or 2044 is restrained by Hollywood writers guild as according to some this is the time the world suppose to end by global warming
 
When they first suggested they would travel back to 2024, an US election year, I feared they would correlate a freak accident during US presidency election would cause the wrong man to be elected that would eventually lead to the fascist Space Empire of the future instead of the multi species Federation Star Trek future. Fortunately it wasn't but now they have to correlate 2024 technology with a near future mission to Io which we clearly don't have the technology for today (or 2024) and would require at least 20 more year of development. So it would have been more logical that they traveled back to 2044 where we might have the technology to make something ambitious like that possible. So why didn't they do it? It might be as simple as budget restrains or because or 2044 is restrained by Hollywood writers guild as according to some this is the time the world suppose to end by global warming
The near-future is very dicey. With Star Trek's normal and most common time-frames, the 23rd and 24th Centuries, you have more liberty because we're never going to be alive to see it. But 2044? The Baby Boomers here might not see it, but those of us who are either Generation X or Millennials will see it. And they're going to get it wrong. It'll age badly. Or it'll age like the future in Back to the Future, Part II which is fun and goofy, but you can't take it seriously.

I'm glad they didn't try to make Picard Season 2 look like DS9's "Past Tense". Don't need clunky computers, boxy corporate clothing, or grunge-multiplied. What we got in "Past Tense" wasn't the 2020s, but the 1990s that was even more 1990s. I suspect a 2020s portrayal of the 2040s would be the same: a more 2020s version of the 2020s. An exaggeration.
 
When they first suggested they would travel back to 2024, an US election year, I feared they would correlate a freak accident during US presidency election would cause the wrong man to be elected that would eventually lead to the fascist Space Empire of the future instead of the multi species Federation Star Trek future. Fortunately it wasn't but now they have to correlate 2024 technology with a near future mission to Io which we clearly don't have the technology for today (or 2024) and would require at least 20 more year of development. So it would have been more logical that they traveled back to 2044 where we might have the technology to make something ambitious like that possible. So why didn't they do it? It might be as simple as budget restrains or because or 2044 is restrained by Hollywood writers guild as according to some this is the time the world suppose to end by global warming
Star Trek is not our future, the technology doesn't need to line up 1:1.
 
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