Given all the chaos, DIS could've been a lot worse.

[Steve Roby]

Trying to make a point or give a lesson about society is not the same, I think, as virtue signaling. That phrase seems to be pejorative, questioning the motives of the signaler as wanting to be seen as virtuous or hopping on a bandwagon of the current virtue du jour.

That seemed to be the idea at first. Now it's thrown at anyone who makes any effort to do good, regardless of their motives. Sometimes it's because the person using the term is a jerk who's okay with things being bad for some people as long as they themselves aren't inconvenienced. Sometimes it's projection; they can't imagine anyone wanting to do the right thing without having some kind of personal agenda. Sometimes it's because they're hopping on the insult bandwagon without worrying about what it really signifies or having to think about what the alleged virtue signaller is saying or doing. It's become a term that says more about the person using it than it does about the person it's aimed at.

 

[RandyS]

How judgemental of you.

 

[plynch]

I’d agree, that’s rude. “Anyone who doesn’t fully agree with me is a hater or fascist” is a pretty common thing floating around though.

 

[FederationHistorian]

The Confederation would be more suited for DIS to explore anyways. I can actually see the Confederation lasting a season in DIS, as opposed to the single episode in PIC.

 

[F. King Daniel]

How judgemental of you.

Not sure if serious.

 

[fireproof78]

I’d agree, that’s rude. “Anyone who doesn’t fully agree with me is a hater or fascist” is a pretty common thing floating around though.

It is quite fatiguing.

 

[RandyS]

Not sure if serious.

Meh. Since I don't remember making that post, I can't answer you one way or the other.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I’d agree, that’s rude. “Anyone who doesn’t fully agree with me is a hater or fascist” is a pretty common thing floating around though.

Legitimate criticism is hard to deal with on Nu Trek because:

1. There's the people who go hyperbolic and hate every single detail like Red Letter Media where they compare Picard to being stabbed in the heart and how its ruined everything.
2. There's the people who want to discuss the flaws legitimately and are disappointed by the whole product.
3. There's the internet "Geek Right" who have been trying to wage a culture war and have been infiltrating Star Wars, video game fandoms, and so on to spread their toxicity.
4. There's people who mostly like it but are gun shy around other fans due to the more extreme elements.

 

[plynch]

Dang, that's a good breakdown.
I'm not that much into fandom. I hardly know what people are talking about sometimes, and this is the only media forum/news I get, here.

 

[Lord Garth]

Legitimate criticism is hard to deal with on Nu Trek because:

1. There's the people who go hyperbolic and hate every single detail like Red Letter Media where they compare Picard to being stabbed in the heart and how its ruined everything.
2. There's the people who want to discuss the flaws legitimately and are disappointed by the whole product.
3. There's the internet "Geek Right" who have been trying to wage a culture war and have been infiltrating Star Wars, video game fandoms, and so on to spread their toxicity.
4. There's people who mostly like it but are gun shy around themselves due to the more extreme elements.

That's a fair analysis of the situation. I have no use for Groups 1 and 3. In fact, I want Group 3 to hate the show as much as possible. I do not want them liking it.

Groups 2 and 4, on the other hand, those are people who I feel like I can have a discussion with.

 

[Charles Phipps]

I have no issues with people who genuinely don't like DISCO or Picard versus other Trek. I like it, I used it to get my wife into "classic" Trek, but I don't hold their opinion against them. I actually am happy to discuss what they dislike and like.

It's the people who hate it and keep watching it, show up on forums to talk about how much they hate it, and loudly talk about how we should hate it that drive me up the wall.

Why are you torturing yourself? Why are you torturing us?

Edit:

At this point, I only watch Trek Central and Jesse Gender After Dark for my Nu Trek reviews.

 

[plynch]

Yup, that was wisdom it took me a long time to absorb, but honestly I kept hanging in there bc I thought it might get “better.” To me. Subjective yall.

PIC, MAN did that stumble from its beginning, I was raving to ppl weeks ago, then it had a very good ending. So, really, I don’t want things to be bad (in my opinion).

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I have no issues with people who genuinely don't like DISCO or Picard versus other Trek. I like it, I used it to get my wife into "classic" Trek, but I don't hold their opinion against them. I actually am happy to discuss what they dislike and like.

It's the people who hate it and keep watching it, show up on forums to talk about how much they hate it, and loudly talk about how we should hate it that drive me up the wall.

Why are you torturing yourself? Why are you torturing us?

Edit:

At this point, I only watch Trek Central and Jesse Gender After Dark for my Nu Trek reviews.

Kertrats/dan gunther also does great reviews. He keeps it positive and professional even when he doesn't like something.

 

[Phoenix219]

Don't know where to post this, but didn't want to make a new thread.

I just heard an interesting rumor on reddit, about early DSC.

According to a contributor to a thread I was reading, the original reason for the square nacelles as opposed to TOS style round ones, was supposedly that the original idea was for Discovery to be a spy ship, and that the outer saucer would separate, the nacelles would swing down, and it would resemble a D7 for infiltrating Klingon space. Has anyone heard *anything* like this crazy but interesting rumor?

 

[FederationHistorian]

Don't know where to post this, but didn't want to make a new thread.

I just heard an interesting rumor on reddit, about early DSC.

According to a contributor to a thread I was reading, the original reason for the square nacelles as opposed to TOS style round ones, was supposedly that the original idea was for Discovery to be a spy ship, and that the outer saucer would separate, the nacelles would swing down, and it would resemble a D7 for infiltrating Klingon space. Has anyone heard *anything* like this crazy but interesting rumor?

I’ve never heard of that rumor before. But it would make sense for the Crossfield class as a whole. And align with the involvement of black badges, and the experimental spore drive, and the crew having completely different uniforms from Pike’s Enterprise in S1. And Georgiou being hush hush about the Klingons; non one seeing a Klingon means Starfleet has a reason to spy on them.

Although the D7s referred to would likely be Klingon warbirds.

 

[Phoenix219]

I’ve never heard of that rumor before. But it would make sense for the Crossfield class as a whole. And align with the involvement of black badges, and the experimental spore drive, and the crew having completely different uniforms from Pike’s Enterprise in S1. And Georgiou being hush hush about the Klingons; non one seeing a Klingon means Starfleet has a reason to spy on them.

Although the D7s referred to would likely be Klingon warbirds.

Yeah... I can definitely imagine the concept. Maybe a bit too much "transformers" but very intriguing conceptually.

I wish the original plans for both S1 and S2 had been allowed to come to fruition.

 

[The Wormhole]

According to a contributor to a thread I was reading, the original reason for the square nacelles as opposed to TOS style round ones, was supposedly that the original idea was for Discovery to be a spy ship, and that the outer saucer would separate, the nacelles would swing down, and it would resemble a D7 for infiltrating Klingon space. Has anyone heard *anything* like this crazy but interesting rumor?

The whole "Disco is a spy/Section 31 ship infiltrating Klingon space" was a popular rumor circulating before the show premiered based solely on the ship's registry being NCC-1031 and the fact that Klingons would be on the show. There's never been any indication of it being legit, even though some have argued the fact Section 31 were later added to the show is somehow proof.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Slurs are still slurs, and still offensive, even if/when they're being used by the same people against whom they're most commonly directed.

No. Slurs are only slurs in context.

Recounting a conversation is (most likely) not using it as a slur. Again, context.

 

[Uhura's Song]

I agree. It's far too easy to dismiss faith, particularly in science fiction. I think having an intelligently crafted and open-minded approach to the "science and faith" topic is always welcome, particularly when it doesn't paint either as "the enemy." To me, that's always insulting and lazy, and I was looking forward to Trek doing a more thoughtful and less obvious exploration of it.

I can remember a Piers Anthony book/series I read as a child, Kirlian Quest? Had some interesting religious portrayals in there.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Don't know where to post this, but didn't want to make a new thread.

I just heard an interesting rumor on reddit, about early DSC.

According to a contributor to a thread I was reading, the original reason for the square nacelles as opposed to TOS style round ones, was supposedly that the original idea was for Discovery to be a spy ship, and that the outer saucer would separate, the nacelles would swing down, and it would resemble a D7 for infiltrating Klingon space. Has anyone heard *anything* like this crazy but interesting rumor?

It's not a rumour, it's from the official Eaglemoss Star Trek Collection magazines and Designing Starships books. They talk about the square nacelles being because in early drafts, all Federation ships were using (what became) the spore drive at this point in time, and that the square nacelles fitted with a plan to disguise the Discovery as a D7 for a mission into Klingon space.

There's concept art for a "stealth mode" for the Shenzhou which was cut, too.