Entire states switched off the episode and complained? Must have brought down the phone circuits.
Trek would have been lucky to have one entire state watching an episode.
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Entire states switched off the episode and complained? Must have brought down the phone circuits.
Trek would have been lucky to have one entire state watching an episode.
So the Spock/Uhura thing, coming out of the blue qnd totally ignoring the previous relationships of the characters made sense because Uhura is a PoC. Riiight.
It could be argued that it upgraded her to Spock's girlfriend. Though giving her a different job than communications officer would've helped more.
Uhura's role and assignment made sense inside the story and she was continually presented as a voice of reason rather than relegated to a secondary role.
Her relationship with Spock was only one facet of her character. Yes, it did flow from TOS, but it went a different way.
Her relationship with Spock was only one facet of her character. Yes, it did flow from TOS, but it went a different way.
No that was not really what I said.
First of all, this is a different timeline, so a lot of things are not the same as TOS. I just watched Batman Begins, to prep for the new Batman films played by Robert Pattinsson and guess what? his meeting with catwoman/selina is not the same because those are two different Batmans from different universes. This will also apply to the past Batmans we have seen in movies, that will have a crossover In The Flash movie. the same way TOS Spock had a crossover with AOS Spock.
As a person that has always viewed Star Trek to be more intellectually minded than comic book movies, this should not be hard to understand.
This is the way I see it here. TOS and AOS are separate timelines so Spock meeting with people differs in both timeline. it may be out of the blue in TOS, which should be dated given the racism of the 60s but not in AOS.
Secondly about the POC thing, yes I stand by what I said. times have changed, Uhura is now truly free to be anyones girlfriend and in this universe it just happens to be Spock. They could have gone with Kirk as the trailer was implying but if you watch the movie, it makes sense she is matched with Spock because her personality was too different from Kirk.
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LOL. I am going to agree here and again,speaking of African Americans, it does show the racial ignorance I mentioned. Considering most African American women on tv and movies never truly get the whole package the white girl heroine usually gets. (the whole package been the looks, the brains, the friends, the guy or guys) since most story, there is always a love triangle.
Usually roles of black women are to be the best friend to the white girl, or sometimes the strong asexual woman that need no man and is undesirable by the laws of physical attraction. AOS uhura had it all , the looks, the brains, the friends, including the guy or guys. that is an upgrade for African American woman in fiction.
They say this in fandoms, what a white girl sees is not what a black girl sees when looking at the same thing. Some to even many white girls may be tired of the Disney princess trope where they are kissed and saved by prince charming, many black girls cheer when they see a black girl kissed and saved by prince charming, because black girls never even got the chance to experience that in fantasy.
So believe me, it was not a disservice to African american woman. By that standard it was an upgrade. I remember many black publishers online, praising this movie when it came out in 2009 for uhura getting paired with Spock.
I would not agree that this was the inly part of her character, however I do agree that when you take the 3 movies into account it could have gone a different route. in into darkness, where I thought that relationship was horribly written but then again the whole movie is poorly written,
Star Trek Beyond was the best version of the relationship.
star trek 2009 was the most alluring version of the relationship because it went for the Aragon and Arwen kind of romance as seen in lord of the rings, where less was more but the more sticks.
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I do not agree on the relationship. I think it showed the ebs and flows of that, but I think Trek 09 was probably the best of the showcasing the relationship, while Into Darkness and Beyond highlighted Uhura's relationship and capability with the rest of the crew.
I didn't care one way or the other about the Spock-Uhura relationship. It was fine for what it was and some are correct this is a different timeline.
The only thing that bugged me was it seemed at least in Star Trek (2009) and STID they almost wanted to replace Dr. McCoy with Uhura in the so called 'big 3.' One of the charms of Star Trek was the back and forth and relationship between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Spock and McCoy represented two opposing viewpoints for Kirk and were really key in some of the decisions he made, weighing the logic of the decisions from Spock's side, to the humanity and emotion represented by McCoy. It was more than just a friendship, like a brotherhood. I don't mind bumping Uhura up in stature, but I never felt it had to come at the expense of someone else, McCoy in this case.
Now, in full disclosure, I'll admit part of that is definitely because Urban did such a great job as McCoy that I wanted to see more of him. Beyond, I thought, did a much better job with McCoy in that respect. Of all the actors I thought Urban found the best balance between Kelley's portrayal, adding some of his own spin, and finding a way of channeling Kelley without seeming like he was mocking Kelley at the same time.
The only thing that bugged me was it seemed at least in Star Trek (2009) and STID they almost wanted to replace Dr. McCoy with Uhura in the so called 'big 3.' One of the charms of Star Trek was the back and forth and relationship between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Spock and McCoy represented two opposing viewpoints for Kirk and were really key in some of the decisions he made, weighing the logic of the decisions from Spock's side, to the humanity and emotion represented by McCoy. It was more than just a friendship, like a brotherhood. I don't mind bumping Uhura up in stature, but I never felt it had to come at the expense of someone else, McCoy in this case.
Now, in full disclosure, I'll admit part of that is definitely because Urban did such a great job as McCoy that I wanted to see more of him. Beyond, I thought, did a much better job with McCoy in that respect. Of all the actors I thought Urban found the best balance between Kelley's portrayal, adding some of his own spin, and finding a way of channeling Kelley without seeming like he was mocking Kelley at the same time.
I'm of the opinion that it wasn't a replacement so much as a balancing act. Now, it will work for some and not so much for others. McCoy was Kirk's confidant, especially in 09 and Beyond, and only starts to let Spock in in ID. In Beyond, Spock starts to let McCoy in.
So, rather than the balancing act of logic vs. emotion ( a classic picture that many psychology 101 class have taken advantage of) it is an expansion of a variety of points of view, and a joining of worlds. Spock and Uhura combining with Kirk and McCoy, each relying on each other to make the best crew.
I do agree that Urban's portrayal was top notch.
So, rather than the balancing act of logic vs. emotion ( a classic picture that many psychology 101 class have taken advantage of) it is an expansion of a variety of points of view, and a joining of worlds. Spock and Uhura combining with Kirk and McCoy, each relying on each other to make the best crew.
I do agree that Urban's portrayal was top notch.
I think her job was fine. It’s just that the two characters were written as totally different than the ones they were supposed to be and Spock having a relationship with a human while he was married (anyone remembers t’pring?) had very little logic. Not to mention how emotional he was in the first two movies. Or how unprofessional they were bickering in the middle of crisis. Sure, different timelines, but they were presented as the same characters.
this has nothing to do with racism.
Also, since you keep bringing this out, I have to point out that it was suggested that Uhura kissed Spock for that famous scene with Kirk, exactly because having her kiss an alien would be less offensive than a human white guy to the racists. This idea was strongly opposed exactly because it made sense for chapel, and not Uhura, to do it, given the stories of their characters.
Of course now it seems we’re about to see more of chapel/Spock…and they are even retconning Spock’s first ponn far. I was looking forward to SNW, after the recent trailers not so much anymore.
Hm. Interesting. So she is more of a person than African American women usually get to be. Because she gets to be girlfriend of one of the really main characters. Hm. I’m mulling that, and I think it still bums me out. Though we did finally get Burnham as the main-main character of a Trek show.
And yes, they were trying to somewhat elevate Uhura, if I remember from the movie poster, it featured K, S and her. But she was still treated/developed less than the guys, yes?
And yes, they were trying to somewhat elevate Uhura, if I remember from the movie poster, it featured K, S and her. But she was still treated/developed less than the guys, yes?
Why wouldn't he be more emotional?
It was a significant plot point, in fact.
From 9 months prior to the 2009 movie's release:
Quinto: My Spock Is Not In Control of His Balance – TrekMovie.com
And it wasn't just handwaved away after the first movie, or marked "condition permanently resolved".
Yeah, I think that was intentional. Quinto did a pretty good job with Spock too I thought. The only complaint I have is the same one I had with most of the actors who have played Vulcans since Spock and Sarek, the tendency to speak with a certain almost lecturing tone of voice. Tim Russ was the same way with Tuvok. I always found it a bit forced. Quinto, unfortunately, has the same tendency. Nimoy always felt much more natural. But otherwise he did pretty good. He expressed some emotion but without going over the top.
If you've got a link to the article, then other people might be able to understand why, too?
From the first outline of what began as "Sons of Socrates" Mr. Spock and Nurse Chapel are forced to kiss, which happens in every subsequent outline and script draft through the finished episode that I have seen. In the first outline Uhura gets plopped in Bones' lap while Kirk is paired with a one-off character named Yeoman Helen Lennox. Then Uhura is forced to hop over and fall in Kirk’s lap where she, quote, “is starting to bend Kirk’s head back in a violent kiss,” unquote, and at that moment Kirk gains the same telekinetic powers of their tormentors and stops it. In the next outline there is no Kirk-Uhura kiss attempt.
Freiberger stated they argued over who should kiss Uhura, but IIRC no pages outline/script pages I've seen suggest Uhura ever liplock anyone but Kirk.
@Harvey or @alchemist might know if there's a version I'm unfamiliar with.
from nimoy’s biography it was suggested at one point to switch and have Uhura kiss Spock as it would have been “more acceptable”.
Spock having to kiss Uhura is also mentioned on memory alpha, by the way.
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