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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

I would say that Star Trek in general is conservative (as with much US media) - it's not really depicted the consequences of its possible socialist future, and of course has for most of its history been a majority white, American, hierarchical, masculine, heterosexual, sometimes militaristic, rarely heterodox vision of the future. It's very popular with conservative as well as progressive people, because it is chimerical - while it shows what remains arguably a conservative world, it preaches - in a limited fashion - something which rhymes with more progressive values (if you wish to hear it) - but rarely shows it.
This is why I only credit TOS in the context of what it was in the '60s and only like TNG/DS9/VOY up to a certain point. And I was never a fan of ENT to begin with.

DSC and PIC are the only two Star Trek series I've gone in all the way for, unapologetically, and without qualifiers.
 
I'm sure I'm not alone, but I don't understand the relevance of the scenes of Picard's childhood with his mom. How are they significant? Guess we'll find out they're probably more than just wool gathering.
 
I'm sure I'm not alone, but I don't understand the relevance of the scenes of Picard's childhood with his mom. How are they significant? Guess we'll find out they're probably more than just wool gathering.
Probably connected to fear.
 
Tallinn is young Laris isn't she? Laris isn't really a Romulan. :eek:

Not only do we not seem to be getting an origin for Q's feud with Guinan, we now have another mystery on why Guinan is feuding with Tallinn/Gary Seven's group.
 
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Laris isn't really a Romulan.
Nothing says he isn't. In fact she's using Romulan tech.

Not only do we not seem to be getting an origin for Q's feud with Guinan, we now have another mystery on why Q is feuding with Tallinn/Gary Seven's group.

We're not getting an origin with the feud with Guinan, what are you going on about? They haven't even interacted.

There's also no evidence he's feuding with the Supervisors. They didn't even know he was there.
 
https://www.heise.de/meinung/Star-Trek-Picard-die-Zweite-C-est-de-la-merde-6540341.html

This is a Google translation of a German review of Picard S2E01. I find it quite telling:

Equally, the beginning of the episode contains a setting that clarifies the problem with the whole series in a second particle. We see the label on a bottle of red wine from Picard's winery. There is: Château Picard, Grand Vin de Bordeaux. You have to know that in a consequence of the fourth season of Star Trek Next Generation from 1990, we see how Captain Picard returns to his homely winery, while the Enterprise is repaired in space dock in orbit. Picard's hometown is the village of La Barre in France. In France there are two villages with this name, both are in the Burgundy in the east of the country. Accordingly, the creators of the current series in the first season had also labeled the wine correctly with Bourgogne-Franche-Comté, the modern name of the Burgundy. Why is Picard's winery then at once in Bordeaux, on the other side of the country on the western Atlantic coast?

This is just because it has been a true Château Picard for more than half a century and the series makers now in collaboration with this winery have brought a wine on the market, which carries the label from the series. This wine is now sold to Trekkies in the US; With a discount of just under 300 percent. And because French have strict laws for the designation of food from food, you could not write on this wine just as in the first season of the series Bourgogne-Franche-Comté. So after more than thirty years of established background history, Picard's homelanded goods were relocated to Bordeaux. Because the story is less important than the money you can earn with it. How the Frenchman would say: C'est de la Mermde! (That's a very nice crap!)

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Another interesting point. I fully agree:

The characters of old series - in this case Jean-Luc Picard - are degraded to be dismantled as relics of the past. They serve to make the new characters in the series appear faster, better and smarter. Unfortunately, these new characters are incredibly boring and the authors put such meaningless and stupid dialogues in their mouths that at the end of the whole action nobody looks smart or confident anymore. The problem isn't that the writers want to take Star Trek in a new direction. The problem is that they do it badly. And burn the heroes of our childhood. The main thing at the end is Star Trek and the money goes into the till.

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https://www.heise.de/meinung/Star-Trek-Picard-die-Zweite-C-est-de-la-merde-6540341.html

This is a Google translation of a German review of Picard S2E01. I find it quite telling:
"second particle" = "fraction of a second"
"consequence" = "episode"
"discount" = "surcharge"

He also writes that Picard as an old guy shouldn't have teenage love issues, which takes all remaining dignity from him, and that he's now a cowardly, hopeless, frightened man who would die from a broken heart and alcoholism in Guinan's bar. And that hardcore trekkies should not watch it, because it would only be painful for them. And that it only works as shallow entertainment with explosions and pointless babbling.

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Ah, the best of the best from German Trek fandom… again. So embarrassing.

And people wonder why I’ve left all but one German Trek communities. They’re filled with a remaining bunch of die-hard TNG nostalgia dudes who walk around moaning “my idea of who Picard is has been destroyed by this show”.

I’m willing to cut them SOME slack because most of them watch TNG in German and German Jean-Luc is voice-dubbed by dudes (he’s had more than one voice actor) who all made him sound like some super stuffy dude. They all lacked the underlying warmth and layers Sir Patrick brought (of course they did, it’s impossible to reproduce Sir Patrick’s performance). As a result, German Jean-Luc is a lot more stuffy than actual Jean-Luc, which makes the emotional angle now even more “jarring” to those fans.

But this still doesn’t justify all the moaning and whining about the show “destroying” their idol. I’ve tried to ask them just why they are like this and they all said “they’re destroying my childhood, all those afternoons in the 90s when I watched TNG on German TV and looked up to Picard as a father figure, he’s no longer that guy now and it destroys my image of him”. It’s lost on them that Jean-Luc was never the infallible person their childhood minds thought he was, but there you go as to where they’re coming from.

Add to all that the fact that we Germans REALLY hate too much change, especially when it’s sudden, the fact that German society is still stuck in its old-fashioned ways on many levels (gender etc), the fact that a lot of news and interviews with explanations and stories about whys and hows never reach the German fandom due to the language barrier (people kept asking me to translate all the Sir Patrick interviews I posted but honestly I don’t have time for that, and if I translate them they’re going to hate on every word anyway so why would I bother, I won’t serve as a platform for Sir Patrick hate), and there you have the major reasons for articles like the one above.

/gets off his German soap box
 
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