Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Mirror Tuvix]

Deep Space Nine and Voyager are paragons of white male supremacy... and Sisko is really just a white guy.

This really is the level of discourse on this forum now, isn't it, especially in the Alex Kurtzman sections. Sad, but also funny. They should do an allegorical Trek episode about it, you know, like those ones dealing with unwaveringly dogmatic zealots who are only able to recite irrational sacred commandments over and over.

 

[SJGardner]

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[Alexander Corrino]

Regarding the "no Enterprise" thing (which was more a "Sir Patrick doesn't want to be the one who sits in the Enterprise's captain's chair" thing)... there was an interview with Sir Patrick in a German paper a little while ago where he was asked about the Enterprise in PIC, and he said there would be "a surprise" regarding the Enterprise. Make of that whatever you wish now.

 

[Finn]

Captain Yar, with Data as her servant, in her quarters?

 

[fireproof78]

and he said there would be "a surprise" regarding the Enterprise.

It's in a museum. It's destroyed. Retired.

Probably not any of those but I'll wish anyway.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It never existed. Gotta be careful when time traveling

 

[Finn]

It encountered the Sphere and ended up in the 32nd Century…in the Confederation timeline.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

I just remembered it, but this reminds me of how in The Offspring, Guinan was originally supposed to say "when a man and woman are in love", but Whoopi flat-out refused to say it and had it changed to "when two people are in love."

Oooh, didn't know that! Very cool.

 

[The Wormhole]

Sisko is really just a white guy.

Wut da fuq?

 

[Quinton]

Guinan unleashes on Picard a litany of problems on current-day Earth. This, among other stretches of dialogue, may be technically true but is entirely too heavy-handed. A subtler approach is necessary for this type of sci-fi commentary when it comes from someone who has lived for centuries and seen everything — including the destruction of her own world by the Borg!
This is all wrong coming from Guinan, who should be much more wise and contemplative and willing to see the long-term picture, and not so bitter and despairing and ready to give up. This is supposedly the same person who said, on the eve of the possible destruction of humanity by the Borg, "As long as a handful of you remain to keep the spirit alive, you will prevail." But now they've recast her in a completely different template, and it might as well be a different character. Making Guinan a cynic who serves as a contemporary mouthpiece for the writers is a terrible choice that leads to dialogue that just clangs to the floor. This version of Guinan has an attitude that comes from a far too purely privileged American perspective; after all, there is suffering far worse in the world than the myopic view on showcase here.
-Jamahl Epsicokhan
https://www.jammersreviews.com/st-picard/s2/watcher.php

Are you Jamahl…?

 

[gweeps]

I know John de Lancie said he filmed scenes for 6 episodes, but I hope Q is spread out for the remainder of the episodes.

John de Lancie did say Q was only a "catalyst" for this outing though, so... but he's only been in, like, 15 minutes.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

De Lancie also said he'd have liked to have more scenes with Sir Patrick, so, this tracks with the whole "lack" of Q. However, Sir Patrick has also said that the more the season progresses the more important Q becomes to Jean-Luc. It's unclear whether he meant this as in "there will be more scenes" tho - sometimes a character can be a massive influence on what's happening without ever being on screen.

 

[Reanok]

Annie Wershing is going to appearing at Wondercon in Chicago April 1 with some other Picard cast members.Isa Briones and some of the makeup and costume designers talking baout designing the new look for the Borg Queen and season 2 in a panel that day.

 

[gweeps]

Well, if Q can't directly interfere in this timeline with his powers, then being around Picard probably isn't going to accomplish much. If the original primeline is recovered, maybe we see another scene with them where they have one final heart-to-heart.

I'd love for Q to interact with some of the others, too. But maybe he doesn't have time for that stuff anymore.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yes, Deep Space Nine and Voyager are paragons of white male supremacy... and Sisko is really just a white guy.

 

[Llywela]

I'd love for Q to interact with some of the others, too. But maybe he doesn't have time for that stuff anymore.

I'm sure I saw a pre-season interview somewhere in which John de Lancie (or someone else?) said that Q did get to interact with most of the team in some shape or form. Or did I just imagine reading that? I can't remember now!

 

[Nerys Myk]

 

[donners22]

This version of Guinan has an attitude that comes from a far too purely privileged American perspective; after all, there is suffering far worse in the world than the myopic view on showcase here.

I daresay that's part of the point. If people in a highly privileged country inflict needless suffering on others as a result of prejudice, what hope is there for the rest of humanity?

 

[gweeps]

I daresay that's part of the point. If people in a highly privileged country inflict needless suffering on others as a result of prejudice, what hope is there for the rest of humanity?

Don't forget greed for money and/or lust for power. I think for many of the "privileged few" their attitude goes well beyond typical prejudice and into a deeper state of abject apathy, and even heartlessness.

 

[fireproof78]

Or lack of awareness. Simply unaware that other people live different lives.