Spoilers The Flash - Season 8 Discussion Thread
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Immoral as his lawyer.What’s with everyone not believing in the Flash? Don’t they know the name of the show they’re in?
What was with her saying that it would be immoral to use her telepathic power on someone? She’s always using them on people.
I agree with thribs, it wasn’t believable that no one believed the Flash. Even Frost, who was framed not that long ago too. And yeah, I’m sure Cecile has used her powers unethically in the past. I guess this is what happens when you have overpowered characters.
I liked that they brought back a one off meta from season 4 (?), but overall this episode wasn’t that great. It did start off a new ongoing arc though.
I liked that they brought back a one off meta from season 4 (?), but overall this episode wasn’t that great. It did start off a new ongoing arc though.
For the most part, I loved this episode. It's a nice, strong, heartfelt character story with a sympathetic not-quite-antagonist, and a solid one-and-done. This is how I like to see story arcs handled -- not as a single long story dragged out for a full season, but a background thread that catalyzes a set of individual episodic tales that have satisfactory, completed arcs within themselves.
But I do wish more TV writers would remember that the American judicial system is based on the presumption of innocence, and that every accused party deserves the best possible effort in their defense, a principle Cecile paid lip service to but didn't live up to. The rest of the team shouldn't have been so surprised that Barry was willing to give Birch the benefit of the doubt. That should be the default.
But I do wish more TV writers would remember that the American judicial system is based on the presumption of innocence, and that every accused party deserves the best possible effort in their defense, a principle Cecile paid lip service to but didn't live up to. The rest of the team shouldn't have been so surprised that Barry was willing to give Birch the benefit of the doubt. That should be the default.
It’s very encouraging that the writing has been much better this season. In many different facets. It affects everything. Some of the best acting we have from Grant Gustin in a long while. Also 2 episodes in a row with previous guest villains not see in years. It’s even more satisfying that we learned this week the show is getting another season. Hopefully they can keep up this leave of quality and improve on in going forward.
I really like this episode.
The A plot was great. The story with Birch was well told and heartfelt. And a father falsely accused of a crime and losing his son paralleled Barry's old childhood with his dad so it made perfect sense why it was so personal for Barry. The way Birch's situation mirrored Barry's past was done very effectively. The scene at the end where they are remembering Barry's dad and telling stories was very effective. I teared a few times in the episode. And we got a little of bit of action with the Flash with Birch helping to save the city and redeeming himself in the eyes of his son. Just well done!
The B plot with Allegra was fine. The other girl really annoyed me though. I get that she was upset about losing her byline but she did not act professional and Alegra did apologize and showed remorse for her actions. She could have at least acknowledged Alegra's apology instead of threatening her. And threatening your supervisor like she did, should be grounds for termination IMO.
The A plot was great. The story with Birch was well told and heartfelt. And a father falsely accused of a crime and losing his son paralleled Barry's old childhood with his dad so it made perfect sense why it was so personal for Barry. The way Birch's situation mirrored Barry's past was done very effectively. The scene at the end where they are remembering Barry's dad and telling stories was very effective. I teared a few times in the episode. And we got a little of bit of action with the Flash with Birch helping to save the city and redeeming himself in the eyes of his son. Just well done!
The B plot with Allegra was fine. The other girl really annoyed me though. I get that she was upset about losing her byline but she did not act professional and Alegra did apologize and showed remorse for her actions. She could have at least acknowledged Alegra's apology instead of threatening her. And threatening your supervisor like she did, should be grounds for termination IMO.
I was reminded of a workplace experience I had once where I tried apologizing to someone for being kind of ill-tempered (it was a dark, noisy museum exhibit that was a very unpleasant environment for me), and she just kept repeating the same criticism over and over despite claiming she'd accepted my apology, which is not how accepting an apology is supposed to work.
I thought so too, but of course you don't have the drama that way.
Although I don't understand why Allegra is only being featured in workplace stories instead of putting on a supersuit and joining Team Flash. Frost is Flash's only partner in the field anymore. Allegra has amazing powers, so why isn't she using them?
Presumably they showed leniency what with him saving the city and all (though he saved it from a problem he caused, admittedly). I guess Cecile is a really good defense attorney.
Soooo a nuclear threat….Ronnie anyone?
This was a good episode with a nice focus on Chester. It was good to see him be more than his usual one liners. Also, the Black Flame villain is a very different villain than The Flash has done so far, which is nice.
Another pretty good one, at least where Chester's drama was concerned. I'm still not getting into the whole Iris time-sickness plot, though. And Allegra and Chester need to stop dancing around their feelings already.
No idea who or what the villain-entity is supposed to be in DC terms. When they talk about "black fire," I keep thinking of Starfire's sister, but that's obviously not it. I almost thought I had it when Cecile mentioned it fed on despair, but then I remembered that D'Spayre is a Marvel villain.
And Allegra doesn't believe in ghosts? She shares a universe with John Constantine and the Spectre. Of course there are ghosts. The Legends dealt with a whole crew of reality-TV ghosts a few months ago.
No idea who or what the villain-entity is supposed to be in DC terms. When they talk about "black fire," I keep thinking of Starfire's sister, but that's obviously not it. I almost thought I had it when Cecile mentioned it fed on despair, but then I remembered that D'Spayre is a Marvel villain.
And Allegra doesn't believe in ghosts? She shares a universe with John Constantine and the Spectre. Of course there are ghosts. The Legends dealt with a whole crew of reality-TV ghosts a few months ago.
It was a decent episode, but I don't like Allegra. I found most of her dialogue pretty corny and wished it was Caitlin talking to Chester instead.
A not-bad episode this week, concentrating on the Snow family and Frost's relationship with her and Caitlin's mother. (So does that mean her full name is Frost Snow?) I wish they'd leaned more on the idea that Frost's motivation for risking her life was some need to prove herself after her past as a villain, rather than just being reckless with her own safety.
I could also have done without the bit with the mother saying that the such-and-such technobabble of the black flame monster was "exactly like cold fusion," when it was in fact not even remotely like cold fusion (which just means room-temperature fusion, "cold" relative to the core of the Sun).
I think this was another of the episodes they occasionally do where Barry never dons the Flash suit.
I could also have done without the bit with the mother saying that the such-and-such technobabble of the black flame monster was "exactly like cold fusion," when it was in fact not even remotely like cold fusion (which just means room-temperature fusion, "cold" relative to the core of the Sun).
I think this was another of the episodes they occasionally do where Barry never dons the Flash suit.
I liked this episode. It had some really nice character development for the Snow family. I especially like the scene where Caitlin's mother tells Frost she is her daughter and she loves her.
So are the black flames pretending to be Ronnie, in that scene at the end with Cailtin, like it did with pretending to be Chester's dad? Or are the black flames Ronnie in some afterlife-hybrid-ghost form? Ronnie was Firestorm so maybe when he died he fused with something and became the black flames?
So are the black flames pretending to be Ronnie, in that scene at the end with Cailtin, like it did with pretending to be Chester's dad? Or are the black flames Ronnie in some afterlife-hybrid-ghost form? Ronnie was Firestorm so maybe when he died he fused with something and became the black flames?
It did occur to me to wonder if this was a way of bringing Ronnie/Firestorm back, although it's hard to see how they'd redeem him as a hero after the deaths the black flame has caused. Then again, they treated Harry Wells as a hero after he straight-up murdered the Turtle.
Called it (and the disappearing mom from touching the "time sick" Iris--disappeared "back to" the 31st century?).So, LSH/Flash crossover confirmed? Tinya (Wazzo?)? Walks through walls?
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