The Borg have enslaved trillions. They cover so much more space than the Federation and have existed for thousands of years.
The Confederation started in 2024 and can't get past Vulcan.
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The Weaponry in Picard's trophy stash would suggest otherwise.
Only one other time has this ever happened. It was 20 years ago, 2002, and I was around two people who were getting into an argument, and this time it actually was about Star Trek. Then, suddenly, it happened, and I went into "Lord Garth" mode. After that I stopped and thought, "Wait a minute. What just happened?!"@Lord Garth Bless their newbie little hearts but it can get exhausting.
Thank goodness I never went through that stage.
What in the H-E-Double Sippy Straw? You've been here long enough to know the spoiler rules.
There is an entire forum dedicated to Star Trek Picard. That's the appropriate place to discuss.
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I find the Mirror Universe in Mirror Mirror interesting from an allegorical point of view. It doesn't take anything other than circumstances to make a good person into a bad one. That's cool.
However, over the years as it's become an actual fleshed out bit of the Star Trek Universe, I find that I think that it's a little bit crap...
A little bit. Less is more with some things.
However, over the years as it's become an actual fleshed out bit of the Star Trek Universe, I find that I think that it's a little bit crap...
A little bit. Less is more with some things.
It would have been more interesting if Discovery had shown us a 32nd century MU instead.
Eh, I dunno. DS9 kinda put the kibosh on that, since we know that the Terran Empire fell after Spock's revolution. Whatever is there will be quite different, but probably won't involve a big evil Earth-run empire.
Agree. And, even more fundamentally, the 31st Century is still very unknown and unexplored in the prime universe. Going to the MU in that time frame is kind of like doing "The Naked Now" as your 1st 1-hour episode, not even having enough time to establish and explore the characters. It's not very interesting if you don't have a well-developed prime universe to compare it to.
I guess we're getting this in Picard, Season 2.
I just dislike the whole 'same people/same stuff/except evil' concept generally I think. Discovery had a better stab at the MU than DS9.
My issue with Discovery's take on it was it was even more small-universe than DS9's.
I mean, on DS9, Intendant Kira was basically just in charge of Terok Nor for the Klingon-Cardassian alliance. Worf had a higher position (Regent) but it wasn't really explained within show what that meant. Even the novelverse established it as being not a supreme role, but alongside a Cardassian regent. Everyone else had lower power levels within the universe - in some cases much lower.
In contrast, in the MU Georgiou is emperor, Lorca is a major challenger to her rule, Michael is her child, etc...everyone has a jumped up role as one of THE MOST IMPORTANTIST people in the entire quadrant. It made it feel even more like a stage play and less like a real world I could be immersed within.
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As I said, I'm not invested in either. I'd go with Discovery in the end purely because it avoids the adolescent fap-fantasy evil lesbian stuff that DS9 goes full force for. I like DS9, I think it made few missteps, but it's handling of the MU was one of them.
Bit yeah, nether is my cup of tea. I like Mirror Mirror and it stops there.
As I said, I'm not invested in either. I'd go with Discovery in the end purely because it avoids the adolescent fap-fantasy evil lesbian stuff that DS9 goes full force for. I like DS9, I think it made few missteps, but it's handling of the MU was one of them.
Bit yeah, nether is my cup of tea. I like Mirror Mirror and it stops there.
Its certainly a possibility. Mirror Vance probably would work with Mirror Ossyra, Mirror Ryn, and the MU counterpart of the Emerald Chain, especially if the Klingon-Cardassian-Bajaran Alliance was still a thing and the Terran Rebellion struggled against them. If DIS ever does show the 32nd century MU, hopefully there will be characters that only exist in the MU that don’t exist in the prime universe. For far too long, its been the other way around (i.e. Jake Sisko existing in prime universe, but not MU).
They’d have to answer if the Burn happened in the MU, and who prevented the Romulan supernova from destroying the galaxy in the MU.
I also think that the DIS S1 Klingon design would be far more accepted in the 32nd century MU, since it won’t be treated as a retcon, but as an evolution.
I can't see how the Burn could have happened in the MU. It relied upon too many coincidences to occur (someone with the right psi-sensitivity had to be on the dilithium planet at exactly the right time, and have severe emotional trauma).
For sure. DSC was the take like TOS. Small choices against the backdrop of a larger world that created differences in known characters. It works better because I so love the DSC characters and want to see how they react in the MU.
Then that means that the 32nd century MU should be the tech utopia that everyone expected with prime universe 32nd century. And everyone living there, more or less, should be better off.
Basically flipping the script on the 24th century prime and mirror universes.
And on Picard, evil universe Seven is the President of the whole confederation and Picard is the most important warrior there ever was - who singlehandedly defeated all the major alien antagonists, from the Cardassians & Klingons to the friggin' Borg!
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I don't like how in all the modern "evil mirror universes" the humans are always vastly more successful - conquerers of the whole universe, potential destroyers of the multiverse. In real life, evil organizations fail and fall into chaos, because being good at scheming trumps real expertise.
On ENT it made sense - they were actually losing the war, but then had super advanced future tech from an alternate (our) universe - the USS Defiant - to turn the tide, and make its Captain the new emperor.
On TOS (and "yesterday's enterprise") the power level was roughly equal. And on ENT the ascension made sense. But since then - there has been this massive power creep with the underlying message "evil is more successful" - which is very antithetical to Star Trek in general.
People say that evil eventually falls in to chaos, but it isn't just about being evil. It's about power and control, something humans value extremely highly. So, if they are able to control through fear, which has been demonstrated throughout human history successfully, then why would it suddenly stop because space travel?
Except it's not. Evil is successful in power and that's it. It isn't successful in relationships, in developing meaning and sharing in differences. Which is the heart of Trek is the valuing of differences, not whether or not one is successful.
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