Why were Data's and Worf's quarters so small?

[Orphalesion]

The times we see a supposedly busy Ten Forward, it actually looks relatively quiet compared to comparable modern-equivalent. If you were to walk into a similar-sized pub, restaurant, or café (OK maybe three years ago rather than today!) when they were "busy" they'd be much busier than 10-Forward was ever shown as being.

I'm not sure what, if any, onscreen evidence there would be, but I've always subscribed to the theory theory that there were lots of facilities similar, though perhaps smaller, than 10-Fwd scattered around the ship. Coupled with the fact that there'd always be a portion of the ship-s body on duty, asleep, in their quarters or in separate facilities (such as holodecks).

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dJE

The first season took some pain to show various lounges scattered throughout the ship. I think the implication was that Ten Forward is just eh largest one, or at least the one where the senior officers hang out.

Then there's the Mal area that we where never shown. And I'm sure the Arboretum we saw was just an entrance area, because the one we saw is too small for everything.

 

[Ottens]

I'm not sure what, if any, onscreen evidence there would be, but I've always subscribed to the theory theory that there were lots of facilities similar, though perhaps smaller, than 10-Fwd scattered around the ship. Coupled with the fact that there'd always be a portion of the ship-s body on duty, asleep, in their quarters or in separate facilities (such as holodecks).

Oh, absolutely. There must be lots of recreational facilities on board.

Probert certainly anticipated many lounges and meeting spaces. See here. He even meant for the entire saucer rim to be something of a "promenade".

We saw a small lounge in "Encounter at Farpoint", which was actually a redress of the doctor's office:

In "Justice" we see the "Starboard Lounge", which is a redress of the officers' quarters:

In "Haven" we see a meeting or dining room with slightly curved walls and two small windows on either side, suggesting it might be in the front of the neck somewhere? In actuality, the set opposite the transporter room was used, which was frequently redressed to serve as, among other things, Counselor Troi's office and the ship's school.

There are the large windows on Deck 2, right below the bridge superstructure:

Stage 9, in their Enterprise-D visualization, put a "Two Forward" lounge here:

Ten Forward raised the height of the saucer rim from one deck to two. If there's a Ten Forward, there may also be a Nine Forward:

There are large blue windows at the back of the saucer:

Prober told Trekplace he designed those windows for more observation lounges, but Sternbach in his Blueprints and Alexander Richardson in his schematics put a huge arboretum there:

Which might look something like the arboretum of the Ambassador-class starship in Ryan T. Riddle and Mark Farinas' webcomic “The Word of God”:

The arboretum we saw in "Genesis" and "Dark Page" might be separate or could be a subsection of a much larger facility:

Ed Whitefire, who created the Enterprise-D schematics before Sternbach took over, placed a five deck-high mall in the front of the saucer section that seems to have been intended as mix of arboretum, recreation deck and shopping area:

Probert designed the large four windows on the underside of the saucer for a lounge. Here's an illustration he provided to Trekplace:

Sternbach, in his Blueprints, used those windows, which would appear as large blue squares on the model, as the location for the saucer section's emergency deflector.

 

[Ottens]

The Enterprise-D also had a theater (which was a redress of the Ten Forward set). Here's a screencap from "Sarek":

There were also various sports facilities.

A fencing room, in "I Borg":

A racquetball court, in "Suddenly Human":

A gym, in "The Price":

Another type of gym, where Worf taught mok'bara, including in "Clues" and "Lower Decks":

 

[Ottens]

I'm rewatching "Heart of Glory" and it looks like they redressed the set that was used as a dining room in "Haven" and would later become Counselor Troi's office as another lounge or meeting space.

With an impossible window. You can see how they enter from the corridor that also provides access to the transport room opposite. The corridor leads to the engineering set to the right in this picture, which was redressed as a large corridor junction for the episode:

That obviously can't be a real window, because there's a corridor running behind it. Are we to assume some spaces have fake windows? In which case, @Orphalesion's fear of windows notwithstanding (), why not give crew quarters fake windows as well?

The rest of the scene focuses on the actors' faces, so the set itself is hard to make out. Looks like there's a few couches. But it definitely looks like a social space of some kind.

 

[Orphalesion]

@Orphalesion's fear of windows notwithstanding (),

Hey, windows that can be blown open and suck me into space ARE scary

why not give crew quarters fake windows as well?

Holographic fake windows would actually be a good idea, particularly since they could be programmed to show any scenery you want (and to provide a simulation of daylight)

 

[JesterFace]

Holographic fake windows would actually be a good idea, particularly since they could be programmed to show any scenery you want (and to provide a simulation of daylight)

Perhaps some of the windows on the Enterprise are holographic....
or the paintings on the wall
or sculptures
or flowers
or Spot
or the warp core
or Stargazer model in Picard's ready room
or Guinan's hat
or Riker's beard
or Worf's relationship with K'Ehleyr
or Geordi's date (well that happened actually)
Many possibilities.

 

[Ottens]

Holographic fake windows would actually be a good idea, particularly since they could be programmed to show any scenery you want (and to provide a simulation of daylight)

The officers' lounge of the refit Enterprise in TMP had these screens that showed stars - essentially fake windows.

 

[Mytran]

I'm rewatching "Heart of Glory" and it looks like they redressed the set that was used as a dining room in "Haven" and would later become Counselor Troi's office as another lounge or meeting space.
With an impossible window.

I'm glad you highlighted this one - it's an absolutely bizarre set dressing choice which makes me go every time I watch the episode!

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Still an absolute classic of a picture. Roddenberry's vision distilled.

 

[Finn]

I’d have liked to see the family-friendly version of Ten Forward.

 

[Orphalesion]

I’d have liked to see the family-friendly version of Ten Forward.

Probably looks like one of those hellish "family restaurants", with screaming kids running around everywhere and way-to-happy music blaring.

 

[Finn]

No. They have evolved beyond that.

 

[TommyR01D]

There have been stories of college dorms putting fake windows (screens displaying sky) on the walls of inner rooms. Of course, it's only a matter of time before they start showing ads on them.

 

[Ottens]

There have been stories of college dorms putting fake windows (screens displaying sky) on the walls of inner rooms. Of course, it's only a matter of time before they start showing ads on them.

Cyberpunk future.

 

[Takeru]

I’d have liked to see the family-friendly version of Ten Forward.

It would have just been the Ten Forward set with a ball pit and brighter lighting.

 

[Orphalesion]

Jeez, why do those extras look like Riker just interrupted them in some shady back-alley dealings?

 

[Kor]

The officers' lounge of the refit Enterprise in TMP had these screens that showed stars - essentially fake windows.

I thought that was supposed to be physically located behind the bridge, with actual windows looking out into space. I guess I remembered wrong.

Kor

 

[Orphalesion]

There have been stories of college dorms putting fake windows (screens displaying sky) on the walls of inner rooms. Of course, it's only a matter of time before they start showing ads on them.

Cyberpunk future.

A window-less dorm room already sounds dystopian enough, even without a screen that might display adds!

 

[Ottens]

Jeez, why do those extras look like Riker just interrupted them in some shady back-alley dealings?

I thought that was supposed to be physically located behind the bridge, with actual windows looking out into space. I guess I remembered wrong.

You're half-right.

Directly behind the bridge is the airlock Spock enters through after his shuttle docks. We can see his shuttle approaching through the actual windows of the officers' lounge one deck lower:

That lounge, incidentally, inspired the design of the Ent-D observation lounge. Both were designed by Andrew Probert.

The original idea was to film the scene with Kirk, Spock and McCoy there, as you can tell from this concept art (by Probert):

But there wasn't money to build or complete the set. (I don't know if they used a forced-perspective in the above screencap on something small, or if they just build the walls and windows of what had been intended to become a full set? Maybe someone can enlighten us.)

In any event - a smaller set was hastily constructed using elements from the recreation deck. That's what we see in the film. In the original and the 2009 Blu-ray edition, we see stars through the window:

In the 2001 Director's Edition, we see one of the nacelles:

Probert rationalized the scene by suggesting the space could be a secluded small area within a larger officers’ lounge:

@Donny created a cool video showing how those walls with screens could come down to open up the officers' lounge:

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