Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x01 - "The Star Gazer"

[Noname Given]

Picard's mum having an English accent was a bit of a retcon, but it explains Picard's accent so perfectly that I'm happy to let them get away with it.

Yeah specially when she has a French accent again 60 years later ( in relation to the scene her and the young Jean-Luc Picard), when Picard sees her in the 1701-D corridor in TNG S1 " Where No One Has Gone Before".

 

[Guy Gardener]

Whilst I agree with the gist of your overall argument, I believe this specific thing is not correct. From what I recall the Enterprise didn't have her shields up; rather, they had to time the beaming to the Enterprise's sensor scan cycle so the transport wasn't detected.

However, in TNG: "Relics" the Enterprise-D seems to be able to beam through the Jenolan's shields without much of an issue, suggesting that it is quite possible given large enough differences in technology generation.

Edited for spelling and grammar.

I was annoyed with Enterprise that the writers room very rarely went into how Enterprise was hundreds of years less advanced than most of the ships it encountered.

Polarised hull plating for ##cks sake.

 

[jaime]

I was annoyed with Enterprise that the writers room very rarely went into how Enterprise was hundreds of years less advanced than most of the ships it encountered.

Polarised hull plating for ##cks sake.

Great for sunglasses though.

 

[JediKnightButler]

Yeah specially when she has a French accent again 60 years later ( in relation to the scene her and the young Jean-Luc Picard), when Picard sees her in the 1701-D corridor in TNG S1 " Where No One Has Gone Before".

Was that his mother in TNG "Where No One Has Gone Before" or grandmother? I can't remember which.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Mother.

 

[JediKnightButler]

Also, were they using that shield-draining weapon on the ship just like in Q-Who too?

 

[Amaris]

Was that his mother in TNG "Where No One Has Gone Before" or grandmother? I can't remember which.

It was his mother. He refers to her as "Maman," which is an endearment for mother.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wonder why they decided to use the TOS theme for the Stargazer reveal instead of the TMP/TNG Theme.

I don't think the TNG theme is in this episode at all? It's not mentioned in the end credits, only returning themes credited is Alexander Courage for the TOS theme, and Jay Chattaway for Lullaby #2.

 

[cooleddie74]

The woman in the flashback scene is Yvette Gessard Picard, his mother.

 

[Vale]

It was his mother. He refers to her as "Maman," which is an endearment for mother.

It's the French word for "Mum", or "Mom" if you prefer.

 

[Captain Atkin]

Um, where did Seven beam the pirates to? Did she space them? Wow.

I'm pretty sure she beamed them back to their ship.

 

[NCC-73515]

What's the symbol on Q's jacket?

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/sta...scussion-thread.301351/page-285#post-14058422

On this note, one of the things that is getting more and more impossible to ignore is the complete absence of Klingons in Season 3/4 of Discovery and Season 1 and probably all of 2 of Picard. I don't think I'm taking too much of a guess here to say that the avoidance is intentional.


The Discovery Klingon redesign sucks and everyone knows it. Even the modified Season 2 version sucked. It was all part of Bryan Fuller's mad scheme to do a TNG Season 1-style visual reboot (which only worked under different circumstances, namely lack of Star Trek at the time) of everything Star Trek that production got saddled with after he left. They don't want to suddenly have Discovery Klingons popping up in Picard, and neither do they want to have have them suddenly show up in the 32nd century. Star Trek Online has them side by side, and it doesn't really work.

But if they do a 25th century show, be it a Stargazer, an academy or something else, it'll become too big to ignore. Picard Season 1 and Discovery Seasons 1-2 were extremely bashful about continuity, particularly visual continuity. But season 3, and especially 4 of Discovery, and now just one episode into Season 2 of Picard, and they're a lot more comfortable with it. A 25th century show not centering on Picard but centering on current events of the galaxy 25th century would have to pick up threads of the pre-Nemesis continuity they wanted to avoid for a long time. But maybe it took 5 years of production to to get to that point.

I'm guessing it's only a matter of time until we see Klingons on SNW - L'Rell and Ash are there for the taking.

Spoiler

We'll see part of a Klingon, an important part of an important Klingon, in E2

I love that they have the Promellian battle cruiser in a bottle. In TNG: 'Booby Trap', Picard said he had made one when he was a child. It was never seen in the show, only mentioned.

It was also revealed a year ago that that is the Eaglemoss model, so now something us collectors have is on-screen canonized

 

[fireproof78]

It was also revealed a year ago that that is the Eaglemoss model, so now something us collectors have is on-screen canonized

How else do you sell more to collectors?

 

[jackoverfull]

So this was a emergency destruct rather than a self destruct. That’s when you REALLY want to blow up the ship.

i guess this was the reason of the countdown being only ten seconds.

Correct about Trials and Tribble-ations:
O'BRIEN: The original Enterprise used an old-style duotronic sensor array. If we wait for just the right point in the scan cycle, we can decloak the Defiant for almost three seconds without being detected.
SISKO: Is that enough time to transport us aboard?
O'BRIEN: Barely.

Interesting: in voyage home they had no issue in beaming while cloaked.

 

[Sci]

Laris is such a beautiful woman. I find her especially attractive in this shot.

Sweet Zombie Jesus, that woman is literally older than my dead mother but she looks like she's maybe just a decade older than me, if that.

I mean, there's nothing remotely weird about the idea that Earth puts more into Starfleet in terms of personnel and resources than other nations. It happens all the time in RL.

The idea that some member worlds might contribute more officers to Starfleet than others might be defensible, but the idea that it would be uncommon for a world that constitutes 25% of the Federation's founding worlds to contribute officers to Starfleet is pretty weird.

It is really impressive how "Picard" manages to do things so much better than Disco.

I don't think it does -- I think the writing quality between the two is about the same, honestly. Which is to say, DIS is much better than it gets credit for being 'round these parts.

Is it the previously established universe from the TNG series that helps?

I think fans are reaction to two things: 1) the lighter, more optimistic tone; 2) the 'member berries.

I don't know, but the 10mins or so that we spend in the bridge of Stargazer, were enough for me to want to know more about its crew and definitely like the idea of a Stargazer spin off.

They barely had any personality beyond annoyance at the drunk lady.

I mean for 3 seasons (haven't watched the 4th) Disco treated its bridge crew mostly like an awkward part of the bridge decoration.

Between things like Detmer's PSTD and Owosekun's episode earlier this season, I really disagree.

Sir, the Ohio navy would like to have a word with you, but first I need help getting this dinghy off those cinder blocks.

How dare you insult the honor of the Ohio Naval Militia!

Just watched the Ready Room interview with Sir Patrick.

Is it just me, or is Will's gushing just a tad ott? (Not just this time around, but generally.)

*shrugs* He's not really that good of an actor, but he's found steady work as a Star Trek Hype Man. I'm fine with it if he's a little over the top.

Well, the show remains terrible.

Well, I respect your consistency.

Uh, yeah. It was never a mystery, there was never a hidden significance. It was literally its location in the ship. "Deck 10, forward."

I wouldn't consider it a mystery, either, but it's a fair question to wonder why they called it "Ten-Forward" instead of just "the mess hall." And the idea that Guinan just likes naming her bars some variation on "Ten-Forward" is a nice little detail to her character without being a big deal.

BTW, that Sovereign-class ship we saw as part of the fleet near the end of the episode...........was that the Enterprise-E perhaps, still in service after all of these years? And could one of the TNG crew members like Admiral Worf or Admiral Geordi be her captain by any chance?

I really don't think they would ever re-introduce the Enterprise-E without drawing a lot of attention to it.

Guinan's scene here was directly related to Picard's earlier exchanges with Laris, and was clearly set-up for Picard's arc through the season, set-up which needed to take place before the primary plot-arc kicked in on Stargazer. So no, it was not unrelated to anything else, and no, it could not have been pushed back an episode. It was in exactly the right place.

Wait wait wait. You seem to be saying that character arcs and thematic content are as important as technical jargon and making sure the LCARS display uses the right font??

On this note, one of the things that is getting more and more impossible to ignore is the complete absence of Klingons in Season 3/4 of Discovery and Season 1 and probably all of 2 of Picard. I don't think I'm taking too much of a guess here to say that the avoidance is intentional.

The Discovery Klingon redesign sucks and everyone knows it.

Nah. I like it.

It was all part of Bryan Fuller's mad scheme to do a TNG Season 1-style visual reboot (which only worked under different circumstances, namely lack of Star Trek at the time)

TNG premiered one year after the release of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.

If the viewer has any grace

"If" is doing a lot of work in that clause.

 

[Llywela]

Wait wait wait. You seem to be saying that character arcs and thematic content are as important as technical jargon and making sure the LCARS display uses the right font??

I mean, I've always thought so - more important, even (hock, shorror, I know!) - but I accept that this is something of a minority opinion on this forum.

 

[StewMc]

I wonder why they decided to use the TOS theme for the Stargazer reveal instead of the TMP/TNG Theme.

I don't think the TNG theme is in this episode at all? It's not mentioned in the end credits, only returning themes credited is Alexander Courage for the TOS theme, and Jay Chattaway for Lullaby #2.

It appears at least twice: briefly when Guinan first appears, and a longer rendition when Picard starts walking around the bridge of the Stargazer. I was confused why it (or rather, the TMP theme) wasn't mentioned in the end credits.

They replaced the TNG flute theme at the end of the opening credits with the Courage fanfare as well. The Courage theme is part of the TNG theme I suppose...

 

[Tuskin38]

For those not reading the dedicated starship thread, Production Designer Dave Blass is posting a ton of ship art from this episode on Twitter

https://twitter.com/daveblass?s=21

Nearly all the starfleet ships in the fleet are STO models, even their own Inquiry Class from season 1 is a STO model. The ones not STO models are the Stargazer and Excelsior II

 

[Markonian]

For those not reading the dedicated starship thread, Production Designer Dave Blass is posting a ton of ship art from this episode on Twitter

https://twitter.com/daveblass?s=21

Nearly all the starfleet ships in the fleet are STO models, even their own Inquiry Class from season 1 is a STO model. The ones not STO models are the Stargazer and Excelsior II

Squee!

 

[Tuskin38]

Some of the Borg concept art has the STO Titan Class instead of the Luna