Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x01 - "The Star Gazer"

[Tuskin38]

They set a precedent when she appeared the same age in the 19th century as the 24th.

Being long lived would also do that.

 

[thribs]

So this was a emergency destruct rather than a self destruct. That’s when you REALLY want to blow up the ship.

 

[Amaris]

Since the dawn of motion pictures, filmmakers have used make-up and later digital effects to alter the appearance of actors, very often to make them appear a different age as the character who is doing the performing. It's part of the game.

if you write yourself "ageless" characters and decide to dust those characters off 3 decades later, yes, it's highly advisable to make a minimal effort to address the inconsistency, whether in dialogue or by employing those aforementioned effects. It's how you create and maintain the illusion.

It doesn't make someone "entitled" to expect that that effort will be made.

They made an effort, but unless one wishes to spend an inordinate amount of money removing 30 years off of human flesh, there comes a point where you, the viewer, has to suck it up and realize it's just not possible, nor reasonable, to assume production companies will spend hundreds of man hours and thousands more dollars spiffying up someone's age lines for the appeasement of said viewer. Reasonable expectations, yes. Diminishing returns at high cost? No.

One line from Guinan, and one line from Q, saved thousands of dollars, and all it made upset were people who are unreasonable in their willingness to understand human bodies have limits, as do budgets.

 

[Amaris]

They set a precedent when she appeared the same age in the 19th century as the 24th.

Between 20 and 30, most people look the same in terms of age progression. Between 30 and 40, most people start to show their age. 40 to 50? It becomes far more noticeable. There are also some people who, as they get older, appear to age more or less rapidly. There are 40 year olds that look 60, and 60 year olds that look 40.

Guinan is clearly one whose age progression changes as she gets older.
There's your headcanon, and it didn't take $20,000 and poring over a special effects terminal for 100 hours.

 

[fireproof78]

One line from Guinan, and one line from Q, saved thousands of dollars, and all it made upset were people who are unreasonable in their willingness to understand human bodies have limits, as do budgets.

To be fair, that's been the struggle with dramatic presentations for a long time. That's why we get special editions and director's cuts.

 

[Amaris]

To be fair, that's been the struggle with dramatic presentations for a long time. That's why we get special editions and director's cuts.

Very true, but some people are presenting this as a fault of the producers, rather than as just something that happens to all humans eventually. If the viewer has any grace, they will understand this and accept that stopping time, even in the virtual world, requires significantly more resources than what may be available.

 

[fireproof78]

Very true, but some people are presenting this as a fault of the producers, rather than as just something that happens to all humans eventually. If the viewer has any grace, they will understand this and accept that stopping time, even in the virtual world, requires significantly more resources than what may be available.

While reasonable, I believe this falls back on an emotional reaction that may not be reasoned with.

 

[Zod]

I thought this was great. I gave it a 9 out of 10. Very strong start, hope it continues!

I think that this episode is better than any episode from last season. I think its better than 90% of any of the episodes of Discovery in four seasons. This was well acted, well edited, well written. Effects looked good, Ships looked good and I thought the aging explanations for both Guinan and Q worked well.

 

[The Old Mixer]

60 year olds that look 40

Orla Brady.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Fun fact, the Borg beamed through the Enterprises shields in Q-Who.

The Borg had a higher level of technology.

Their scans could identify the ships shield frequency, or the Borg computers were so fast, they could calculate the shield frequencies fom the scanning data, in seconds, rather than months.

The Sisko's Defiant could Beam through Kirk's shields (In Trials and Tribblelations) because their technology was several orders of magnitude more impressive.

I saw something recently (not Voyager) about shooting through Klingon shields, because it was a hundred year old ship, and the tech was outdated. Where the hell was that?

 

[Amaris]

While reasonable, I believe this falls back on an emotional reaction that may not be reasoned with.

That, I think, is right at the heart of it.

Orla Brady.

100%.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

How many more second chances is Q going to deal Picard?

 

[Tuskin38]

Ex Astris review
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/pic2.htm#thestargazer

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Yes, but I'm unevolved.

Note: this is me making a joke.

Perhaps the joke was not funny.

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[fireproof78]

Perhaps the joke was not funny.

I guarantee you my jokes are not funny.

 

[GNDN18]

Ex Astris review
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/pic2.htm#thestargazer

Drunkenness and diplomacy is de rigueur from time out of mind.

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Other than that, well, Bernd is consistent.

 

[Vale]

There are 40 year olds that look 60, and 60 year olds that look 40.

It seems very relevant to remind people that Patrick Stewart, famously, seemed almost ageless between his 40s and his 70s. Here's a video of him at the age of 38 and while he's obviously younger you likely wouldn't have guessed he was less than half his current age.

 

[Vale]

The Sisko's Defiant could Beam through Kirk's shields (In Trials and Tribblelations) because their technology was several orders of magnitude more impressive.

Whilst I agree with the gist of your overall argument, I believe this specific thing is not correct. From what I recall the Enterprise didn't have her shields up; rather, they had to time the beaming to the Enterprise's sensor scan cycle so the transport wasn't detected.

However, in TNG: "Relics" the Enterprise-D seems to be able to beam through the Jenolan's shields without much of an issue, suggesting that it is quite possible given large enough differences in technology generation.

Edited for spelling and grammar.

 

[fireproof78]

Whilst I agree with the gist of your overall argument, I believe this specific thing is not correct. From what I recall the Enterprise didn't have her shields up; rather, they had to time the beaming to the Enterprise's sensor scan cycle so the transport wasn't detected.

However, in TNG: "Relics" that the Enterprise-D seems to be able to beam through the Jenolan's shields without much of an issue, suggesting that it is quite possible given large enough differences in technological generation.

Correct about Trials and Tribble-ations:
O'BRIEN: The original Enterprise used an old-style duotronic sensor array. If we wait for just the right point in the scan cycle, we can decloak the Defiant for almost three seconds without being detected.
SISKO: Is that enough time to transport us aboard?
O'BRIEN: Barely.

 

[gweeps]

They made an effort, but unless one wishes to spend an inordinate amount of money removing 30 years off of human flesh, there comes a point where you, the viewer, has to suck it up and realize it's just not possible, nor reasonable, to assume production companies will spend hundreds of man hours and thousands more dollars spiffying up someone's age lines for the appeasement of said viewer. Reasonable expectations, yes. Diminishing returns at high cost? No.

One line from Guinan, and one line from Q, saved thousands of dollars, and all it made upset were people who are unreasonable in their willingness to understand human bodies have limits, as do budgets.

Plus, Guinan and Q are still mysterious aliens for god's sake.