Same here. I have no shame in my body but clothes also make me feel good.
Nudity taboos in Trek
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Oh god, "Chain Of Command"! I had forgotten that. Forget Star Trek, that was definitely a shocking amount of skin for any television of the time. "NYPD Blue" hadn't even premiered yet!
I also forgot "Chain Of Command, Part II" was first aired the week of Christmas! Really harshed my festive mood back in the day.
I also forgot "Chain Of Command, Part II" was first aired the week of Christmas! Really harshed my festive mood back in the day.
I read about a bit where Chakotay was seen naked from the rear, and the FX crew decided to digitize out his buttcrack... then that didn't look right, so they digitally recreated it. Which was apparently OK. 
A strange non-Trek thing... when shots from "The Terminator" were reused in "Terminator Genesys" (which was PG13), they felt it necessary to shadow out Schwarzenegger's butt. Even though other PG13 movies regularly featured butt-shots. Terry Bradshaw in "Failure to Launch" comes to mind.
A strange non-Trek thing... when shots from "The Terminator" were reused in "Terminator Genesys" (which was PG13), they felt it necessary to shadow out Schwarzenegger's butt. Even though other PG13 movies regularly featured butt-shots. Terry Bradshaw in "Failure to Launch" comes to mind.
They weren't reused, they were entirely recreated and reshot with new punks and CG 80's Arnie Head. Apparently it was necessary due to rights issues with the original footage. They did such a good job I didn't realise either until I saw one of the BTS features.
They did on the repeats, but not on the original airing.
Fascinating thread. I've something I'd like to throw into the discussion.
I don't doubt the practical uses and even benefits of clothing; however, it can have deleterious effects, too. For example, I used to burn pretty badly; a bit of decent-strength sun and I'd rapidly go red. Since spending time outdoors nude, though, that's much less of a problem, as my skin's adjusted. The point is, we have a natural, frankly remarkable covering, and smothering it in fabric can negatively impact it. It's very similar to how, as mentioned earlier in the thread, bras can impede the development of the muscles that support the breasts. Clothing may be practical and useful, but we're simply not designed to wear it, certainly not constantly.
Another facet is clothing can cut you off. In tangible terms, an example would be how much more connected you feel to the natural world when you're nude, when you can feel the sun and wind and rain over all of you. Believe me, it's an invigorating, eye-opening experience, reminding you just how powerful a sense touch truly is. In less tangible terms, it can be an emotional barrier, in a multitude of ways, which can be a good or bad thing.
Of course, as has been stressed repeatedly, individual needs and preferences matter most, and I think the Trek I've seen has actually done a pretty decent job of acknowledging that, especially when you consider that for most of its existence it's had to work within network TV guidelines, restrictive and, bluntly, contradictory things. The era of streaming and digital we're now in, with far fewer restrictions, will hopefully allow for much more variety and exploration, but it'll likely take a while; old habits die hard, especially in corporate TV.
I don't doubt the practical uses and even benefits of clothing; however, it can have deleterious effects, too. For example, I used to burn pretty badly; a bit of decent-strength sun and I'd rapidly go red. Since spending time outdoors nude, though, that's much less of a problem, as my skin's adjusted. The point is, we have a natural, frankly remarkable covering, and smothering it in fabric can negatively impact it. It's very similar to how, as mentioned earlier in the thread, bras can impede the development of the muscles that support the breasts. Clothing may be practical and useful, but we're simply not designed to wear it, certainly not constantly.
Another facet is clothing can cut you off. In tangible terms, an example would be how much more connected you feel to the natural world when you're nude, when you can feel the sun and wind and rain over all of you. Believe me, it's an invigorating, eye-opening experience, reminding you just how powerful a sense touch truly is. In less tangible terms, it can be an emotional barrier, in a multitude of ways, which can be a good or bad thing.
Of course, as has been stressed repeatedly, individual needs and preferences matter most, and I think the Trek I've seen has actually done a pretty decent job of acknowledging that, especially when you consider that for most of its existence it's had to work within network TV guidelines, restrictive and, bluntly, contradictory things. The era of streaming and digital we're now in, with far fewer restrictions, will hopefully allow for much more variety and exploration, but it'll likely take a while; old habits die hard, especially in corporate TV.
I thought I remembered the original UPN airing showing the whole shot, but I figured after all this time I might be mis-remembering, so I went off of Memory Alpha. So it's confirmed that the first US broadcast of the episode was indeed unaltered.
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The irony of the editing is that on Seven Days they had either Justina Vail herself or a body double do a full nude butt shot in one episode. UPN was, and I use the term because it is the one most commonly used, schizophrenic in their nudity policy.
They are listening to different voices and having visual or auditory hallucinations? Hmm, perhaps that term means different things in TV land?
Hey, there's nudity mentioned in the thread title there should be some nudity in this thread. 
Indeed. I can't wait to take it all off and show you...
My ankles.
My ankles.
That's very Crichton of you.
John Crichton?
Hey, there's nudity mentioned in the thread title there should be some nudity in this thread.
Better?
HAHAHAHAHA!
Well, no one wants to see their parents do it... the film was probably as close. Bold I say, the film was bold and it made a thorough attempt at asking the questions human beings has asked from the start of existence. When I saw this picture for the first time I had a hard time watching it straight through; I found all kinds of reasons to pause it and go back to it. The film was so sterile in character, performance, and execution, but I think I could've followed it a lot better if William Shatner's character was more like the character of Kirk of who I knew and loved than being what he was in TUC and GEN which was Kirk in name ONLY.
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