Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x01 - "The Star Gazer"

[Akiraprise]

9/10

Much better start to this season than last. Much. Without reading the first 22 pages of this thread...

Some positives I picked out in no particular order. A return of the Starfleet we recognize. Not the cynical miserable bitter organization we saw last year. No USS CopyPaste fleet action. Sweet new Borg ship. Characters that are likeable. The one year time skip was needed. They didn't dwell on, yet resolved some of, the hanging threads with the characters. Juratti getting a psychosis pass, Seven heading back to the Fenris rangers, Raffi, Rios, Picard back in Starfleet. Androids now being accepted again in society. The Stargazer was a cool looking ship. Guinan was nice to see. Q appearing as he did last Picard saw him and then snapping to a more appropriate look! The new Starfleet uniforms look good.

Some minor nits. Guinan's weak El-Aurian aging line to explain her appearance. I wouldn't have even mentioned it. Rios' relative inaction when the Queen appeared deferring to the 100 year old Picard to set the auto-destruct on Rios' own ship. Actually the whole response when the Borg beamed through the shields was kind of "off." The new pew pew hand phasers suck, but that design aesthetic started with Star Trek 09 to be fair.

All in all though a strong start!

 

[The Old Mixer]

We are literally living through the reignition of general warfare on the European continent in the nuclear age.

And yet here you are, on the Trek BBS, talking about a TV show.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Riker said he had a fleet of the most advanced ships in starfleet when he bared down on those Romulans last season... Are they all scrapped, or refitted now? So quickly, because there's a new Apex?

 

[BigJake]

And yet here you are, on the Trek BBS, talking about a TV show.

Yes. About the show. Not about anyone's choice of spoiler tags.

I am vaguely curious about why it upsets you so, though. It's just SOP for me to use spoiler tags on review threads about any show, whether the thread itself is spoiler-tagged or not. What about this offends you enough that you're still on about it?

Do you object to being delayed access to my opinion by a single click? I can see it. Obviously my opinion is a profoundly coveted commodity from end to end of at least my own obscure Canadian province*. Otherwise, I don't see what relevance it would have to anyone or why it deserves comment. Enlighten me. I'm curious, now, to see you enunciate a case in a way that even remotely makes sense.

Spoiler: *

Also, I hope obviously, a joke.

 

[Amaris]

Ergo, you can click without fear. Huzzah!

I dunno, it's like masking. I know we're probably all vaxxed here? But just in case...

(EDIT: If however, for some inscrutable reason, you continue to care, I can give you this to free you from the fucks you are currently giving:

You're welcome.)

Have you considered purchasing extra fucks from a wholesale supplier? I know a good one, as I also frequently run out of fucks.

Anyhoo, joking aside, yeah, I tend to spoiler, too. I don't do it so much these days, but I like to let people know if they've managed to make it this far without being spoiled:

1. Congratulations because damn.
2. I try not to contribute to that spoilage.

So good on you for looking out for others.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Yes. About the show. Not about anyone's choice of spoiler tags.

Both are just as irrelevant to what's happening in the Ukraine.

I am vaguely curious about why it upsets you so, though. It's just SOP for me to use spoiler tags on review threads about any show, whether the thread itself is spoiler-tagged or not. What about this offends you enough that you're still on about it?

I'm curious why you're so unpleasantly defensive about it. One of us seems to be upset.

 

[BigJake]

So good on you for looking out for others.

Basically the reason. Cheers.

 

[Mudd]

Why?

Well, because it's boring when everyone is a dick all the time.

 

[BigJake]

I'm curious why you're so unpleasantly defensive about it.

If it's "unpleasantly defensive" to note how irrelevant and ridiculous the whole tangent is, well, guilty as charged. We can do this all day, I guess, but I can see you don't have anything further. So be it. Have a nice night.

 

[Mudd]

Liked it. Laris and her feelings about Picard were the best bit. Shame he was so dim about it.

 

[KennyB]

Ergo, you can click without fear. Huzzah!

Currently watching The Great so I enjoy a good HUZZAH!

 

[NCC-73515]

Juranti literally murdering someone. She gets off on a temporary insanity defense and jokes about it at a bar now?

I know Trek is all about ignoring continuity, but also this is a different era of TV and even then, I know I wasn't the only one who thought her murder was pretty unforgivable in the context that they presented it on the show.

Since when are people held accountable for what they do under the influence of a mind meld?

And the First Contact theme too. I loved hearing that again.

Also the few bars of the FC theme almost made me cry.
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When exactly?​

My theory: we've seen hints from the trailer that in the changed timeline, the Federation has become some totalitarian regime. What if these are Borg from the totalitarian Federation timeline who escape to our timeline needing our help to defeat the totalitarian Federation? It might explain why they asked Picard for help. They might assume Picard would be sympathetic to helping Borg escaping destruction from a totalitarian Federation.

"We won't go back! You don't know what it's like in our universe! The Borg's gone, the Confederation is everywhere!"

Alternatively, it's possible the Queen sent them back in time, rather than Q doing it.

They're not back in time yet, and it seems the queen will be taken from the DI to have her open a temporal vortex

Consider Worf with commits premeditated murder (by US legal standards) in uniform killing a high ranking foreign leader. And he gets a reprimand on his permanent record. That is literally one of the lamest things Trek has ever shown for a legal consequence for what must be an exceedingly serious crime. And while Klingons might be okay with, the Federation and Starfleet would be horrified by that behavior. He would be cashiered out of Starfleet, and should have ben imprisoned, either through a Starfleet court or a Federation court. And Worf didn't face a trial he's literally giving a talking too.

The Federation always puts other cultures first. Crusher wasn't even allowed to figure out how the Ferengi died because it was against Ferengi custom to do an autopsy. So Klingon rules, the victim's culture, is what mattered here.

I have to admit I kinda wish they used the TNG "flash" effect and sound when he changed his appearance.
Maybe a finger snap too.

It was more of a pop and less of a swoosh, but that finger did snap.

Unless you’re suggesting two different queens?

I'm sure the Legion queen from this episode and the Borg queen from the trailers are different

Let me just say the casting of the younger, early 24th century and circa 2315 version of Picard's mother was inspired. Her wide smile and face remind me so much of the vision we saw of an elderly and deceased Yvette Picard in "Where No One Has Gone Before(TNG)."

I was hoping she'd say "You look tense...!"

He's her boss. It's a power imbalance.

Nope, she's a volunteer. He saved their lives in the countdown comic, and she was a Tal'Shiar agent.

Well its the same NCC 2000.

I've read that from multiple sources now but where do people see that registry?

I would've liked a California-class in that fleet.

One which immediately retreats

 

[fireproof78]

Have you considered purchasing extra fucks from a wholesale supplier? I know a good one, as I also frequently run out of fucks.

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[thribs]

I just hope the majority of the season isn’t set in the past. That’ll get old real quick.

 

[Lord Exor]

I'm sure the Legion queen from this episode and the Borg queen from the trailers are different

I think people are reading into this "Legion" subtitle too deeply. It's just referring to multiple voices speaking as one.

 

[Unicron]

Well, that was certainly an interesting premiere. I'm curious to see where the season will go.

 

[fireproof78]

I think people are reading into this "Legion" subtitle too deeply. It's just referring to multiple voices speaking as one.

People reading too much in the first episode? Shocking.

 

[Tuskin38]

The officer giving out the ship assignments at the Academy is a science division admiral. Have we ever seen an admiral wearing science colours before?

 

[Captain_Amasov]

Not off the top of my head, the only Admiral wearing a different division colour other than command red was Vice Admiral Toddman on DS9.

 

[Tuskin38]

I hope we get some set pics of that departure area at SFA. I want to see all the ship displays. I think I spotted a Connie in the background.

Dave Blass said he's be posting stuff from this episode on Monday.
The Dedication plaque of the Stargazer for one.