Spoilers How do you like it that Picard is an android now?
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What do I think? I don't think he's an android. I think his body was duplicated and his consciousness was transferred. He's not an Android. He's something else. He's organic or synthetically-organic.
What do I think in terms of how it matters to Star Trek: Picard? Well, I'll find out when I get to watch a whole episode with Picard being what he is now. And that's happening real soon.
What do I think in terms of how it matters to Star Trek: Picard? Well, I'll find out when I get to watch a whole episode with Picard being what he is now. And that's happening real soon.
I think you didn't check your math. It's been about 3 years, 8 months. I've had longer breaks. And to elaborate, the only reason it says I've been a member since 2008 is because of a fatal crash or migration of this BBS some time in the past. I had to reregister. It's been far longer. 3 years, 8 months is nothing. Longer than dead Picard.
I think the argument over whether he's a toaster or a steak is just a distraction. Did I mention Picard is dead?
And just for the sake of giving Dukhat more grist for the mill, without the challenging math, I think transporters make copies. It kills the original in favor of their clone, rendering all of Star Trek a zombie show. I enjoy Star Trek but somehow I hold turning Picard into a golem as one more symptom of this unfortunate generation of deconstructionist writers whose interest is only to put their personal mark on a franchise like a dog to a tree to the detriment of a franchise.
Do you need to have a sit down or a glass of water? Maybe breathe slowly into a paper bag or something?
Well, sure. He's been dead since he beamed his mind into space in Lonely Among Us. Just like Spock's been dead since Wrath of Khan, Chakotay's been dead since Cathexis...
So, I just watched the season premiere, and there's no difference in the character at all.
When you watch it, and I can tell you haven't yet, reply again. Thanks.
None of that is really relevant to the point I was making.
Think of all the other things you could have complained about if you had instead waited to actually see the show?
Picard's first body is dead, but his spirit lives on in his second body. If he were Vulcan, and it were a Katra (something made up for TSFS), the people taking issue would be fine with it. As far as Picard Season 2 is concerned, the difference looks like it ended up amounting to nothing.
The people complaining are barking up the wrong tree. You want something? I'll give you something. Something you might even have me on your side for: What was the point killing Picard off at the end of Season 1 anyway? They could've found a miracle cure for Irumodic Syndrome and it would've gotten Picard where he is in Season 2 just the same. You could even have Picard interact with Data's program via hologram to keep their goodbye scene at the end of Season 1 intact.
There. I just gave you a better platform and handed it to you on a silver platter. Run with that argument.
The people complaining are barking up the wrong tree. You want something? I'll give you something. Something you might even have me on your side for: What was the point killing Picard off at the end of Season 1 anyway? They could've found a miracle cure for Irumodic Syndrome and it would've gotten Picard where he is in Season 2 just the same. You could even have Picard interact with Data's program via hologram to keep their goodbye scene at the end of Season 1 intact.
There. I just gave you a better platform and handed it to you on a silver platter. Run with that argument.
Well, consistency is hard.
As an aside, the mind-meld scene between Kirk and Sarek is one of Shatner's and Star Trek's very best. I can rewatch the movie just for that, and worth the Katra invention.
As mentioned, something has spawned an unfortunate generation of destructive, deconstructive, nihilistic writers with penchants for death and a certain, somewhat ironic self-righteous ego to justify it.
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If there’s one thing that I think proves that Picard is still Picard it’s that Q comes and sees him. If any character on the show knows if it’s really him or not it’s Q.
I thought about that too, and it's treating the fiction as rational and real as if there are no writers involved. I concluded that if it were not specifically addressed, the writers are ignoring it like a bad relative. Maybe the bad relative was Michael Chabon?
To add: If he was the same Picard, why the big grief when he died when the characters knew they were going to bring him back moments later? Answer: Writers' manipulation of the audience that doesn't make sense in the actual fiction unless he was truly dead.
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"Something?" Well, I would say twenty years of fear and anxiety, and growing up with the "war on terror" as a backdrop to society would lead to a measure of cynicism, that sometimes comes across as nihilism, and an extreme uptick in depressive and anxious tendencies. To me, this past generation has grown up in the shadow of something fear inducing, resulting in efforts to manage that.
That scenario, I think, has historically spawned optimistic entertainment, escapism, or messages of strength, such as superheros in response to world wars. Who wants to go to a theater for more of the same?
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