Do you want the Kelvin Universe to continue?

[Turtletrekker]

I truly feel like the fan base should organize against these movies, maybe they'll stop? They have no redeeming or long-lasting qualities, and I saw no reason to rewatch any of them. Despite its naysayers, the Kurtzman-led streaming universe showed in my view how to do Star Trek, if clumsily. As time as gone on, despite me continuing to "like" the man, it's become clear that J.J. Abrams, the man who grew up revering Spielberg and Lucas, has soiled theirs and others' past creations. His Star Wars sequels look worse and worse, each time someone else produces new stories to that franchise, just like Trek.

I'm not a fan of the Kelvinverse at all, but I still think this is bullshit. Trek is different things to different people and if people weren't enjoying the new incarnations, they would stop making them. People who don't like them, don't have to watch them.

 

[Grizzlor]

I'm not a fan of the Kelvinverse at all, but I still think this is bullshit. Trek is different things to different people and if people weren't enjoying the new incarnations, they would stop making them. People who don't like them, don't have to watch them.

I'm not seriously saying "go picket Paramount," ha ha. Not for nothing, but the title of the thread is literally, "Do you want them to continue?" My answer is a hard no, which I explained with full honesty. I look back now, and while Action Trek and JJ Wars both returned to theaters with such anticipation and for the most part, fan acclaim, with ST 09 and Force Awakens, both have slid into the muck with a lot of people just plain unhappy about them. Add to how there has been renewed fervor for the "old universes" on streaming, it does make one lament that Abrams can never seem to continue a property. Add LOST in as one of his many that opened BIG but finished with a whimper. That's all, but again, the thread asked if you want the movies to go away, and I said yes. Also, liking a modern CGI-infused action movie is really not relevant to whether that film is made. These movies are made in ways that filmmakers are largely prohibited from making art, instead they are making a video game with one linear story. Shove it out there, and you'll make X amount of money internationally simply because you rigged the game and got into the max number of theaters. Quality is unimportant.

 

[fireproof78]

Too bad they are still quality despite the efforts for them to make schlock.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I'm not seriously saying "go picket Paramount," ha ha.

With respect:

I truly feel like the fan base should organize against these movies, maybe they'll stop?

To all intents and purposes that's exactly what you said.

If you're going to make a statement, at least have the integrity to stand behind, it rather than backing off in a cloud of 'ha ha' when you see the tide isn't going your way.

What exactly did you expect, posting something like that in the dedicated Kelvin section?

 

[Mudd]

The JjTrek crew are the only really entertaining thing that's been going on with Trek for over a decade now.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The JjTrek crew are the only really entertaining thing that's been going on with Trek for over a decade now.

Well, that certainly is an opinion.

 

[STEPhon IT]

JJ didn't really have anything to do with Beyond other than have his name attached. He wasn't director, or writer, on it. Er... maybe that's why it's the best of the trilogy...

Beyond had a lot of things going for it.... until the Enterprise was torn to shreds and where the crew should've been going beyond the elements of an adventure; they were instead stuck on a dreary planet up against ANOTHER megalomaniacal villain once again failing to capture the gravitas of Montalban. YAWN! I know the Fast and Furious is a very popular comic booky franchise and I think they've made about 10 of those things, but I really didn't want to see that shit in Star Trek.

 

[Ovation]

The JjTrek crew are the only really entertaining thing that's been going on with Trek for over a decade now.

I wouldn’t say “only,” but I definitely would say “most.”

 

[Grizzlor]

With respect:

To all intents and purposes that's exactly what you said.

If you're going to make a statement, at least have the integrity to stand behind, it rather than backing off in a cloud of 'ha ha' when you see the tide isn't going your way.

What exactly did you expect, posting something like that in the dedicated Kelvin section?

It's called speaking metaphorically. As respect to the "dedicated Kelvin section," again, I didn't make the thread. If we are not allowed to question whether the franchise ought to continue with this movie timeline is not allowed, then delete the thread. Look my complaints go back a decade plus, I was quite vocal for years on the Trekmovie.com site of my disapproval of the themes and style of Abrams' movies. Sorry if I'm an old time fan who never liked the direction J.J. took the movies, and why should I zip it? There's maybe an opportunity to do something differently.

 

[M'Sharak]

It's called speaking metaphorically.

Okay.

As respect to the "dedicated Kelvin section," again, I didn't make the thread. If we are not allowed to question whether the franchise ought to continue with this movie timeline is not allowed, then delete the thread.

I don't believe anyone has said anything of the kind, so this comes off as more of a straw man.

Also: Even allowing for being defensive, did "not allowed" really need to be in that sentence twice?

Look my complaints go back a decade plus, I was quite vocal for years on the Trekmovie.com site of my disapproval of the themes and style of Abrams' movies.

And everyone here who wasn't following your exploits at TrekMovie is just supposed to know of this?

Besides, so what? The amount of time spent complaining about something does not entitle one to any special privileges. Everyone here is presumably a fan, and more than a few have been regular participants in this forum since the 2009 movie was still in pre-production. Why do you feel you're due more consideration than the next fan?

Sorry if I'm an old time fan who never liked the direction J.J. took the movies,

If you were watching when the original series was still airing new episodes, then you're an old-time fan. If you only been complaining about stuff for "a decade plus" on TrekMovie, you're still kind of a noob.

... and why should I zip it?

Defensive again. Has anyone suggested anything of the kind?

There's maybe an opportunity to do something differently.

Now, we're getting somewhere.

Perhaps you might have started with this, rather than going through all of the confrontational posturing and blather instead?

 

[fireproof78]

There's maybe an opportunity to do something differently.

There is. That's what 09 did was go a different direction. In many ways it actually worked quite well because it was able to appeal to both non-fans (my wife) and old fans (myself and my dad). That's a powerful forward movement to get people who otherwise despise science fiction to enjoy your film. I think that Star Trek needs more of that different direction, not less.

 

[Disco]

There is. That's what 09 did was go a different direction. In many ways it actually worked quite well because it was able to appeal to both non-fans (my wife) and old fans (myself and my dad). That's a powerful forward movement to get people who otherwise despise science fiction to enjoy your film. I think that Star Trek needs more of that different direction, not less.

I agree with this. For me personally Beyond was a gamble with a different direction (more action) and wasn't what I look for in Star Trek and it didn't work. It worked for others though so great.
Movies, whether they work or not, raise the profile and attract new fans and encourage old fans to return. The more active fans the more Trek content. Win win win.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

It's called speaking metaphorically.

If you're speaking in metaphor, don't open a sentence with 'I truly believe'.

Also, try using a metaphor if speaking metaphorically. There aren't any in the post in question.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I hope the movie restores their version of the Big 3 Quinto, Zaldana, and Pine; as much as I thought Urban was the only thing I barely liked about BEYOND, I would like to see the story continue with Spock and his quest to restore Vulcan and the problems that civilization may have. Urban should still expand his effort to be less De Kelley and more his own thing but doesn't supersede Zaldana which she was non-existent in the last one.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I think Karl Urban as McCoy is a big plus for all three movies. He's exceptional.

 

[FredH]

I think Karl Urban as McCoy is a big plus for all three movies. He's exceptional.

(Apropos of nothing: Hi, don't I know you from over on Gallifrey Base? Nice to see you.)

 

[Richard S. Ta]

(Apropos of nothing: Hi, don't I know you from over on Gallifrey Base? Nice to see you.)

Nice to see you too!

I was a member on GB, but no longer. I wasn’t pushed, I quit. Doctor Who fandom stinks these days.

 

[FredH]

Nice to see you too!

I was a member on GB, but no longer. I wasn’t pushed, I quit. Doctor Who fandom stinks these days.

I expect I know what you’re talking about, but at least to some degree I see that sort of thing in just about every fandom and fannish space, here included, so I mostly just try to squint around it when necessary. (Unless it gets my druthers up, of course.)

 

[Admiral Archer]

No, I don't think I want the Kelvinverse to continue. At least not with the Enterprise crew.

Don't get me wrong, I adored Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness, but I despised Beyond, and that's having watched all 3 back to back at a special screening for Beyond with the two previous films screened beforehand. Beyond stuck out like a broken thumb, compared to what I believe were two of the finest Star Trek movies ever made. Also, now that Anton is gone, they really should just leave it alone. Unlike in TOS, this was an ensemble cast and if you can't continue without a founding castmember, you really shouldn't.

 

[fireproof78]

Unlike in TOS, this was an ensemble cast and if you can't continue without a founding castmember, you really shouldn't.

With due respect to Anton's memory, why not?