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Do you want the Kelvin Universe to continue?
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Not in this universe .
Actually, Spock's timeline didn't start to diverge in this timeline (Michael Burnham notwithstanding) until his time at Starfleet Academy. The incident with his bullies was certainly in the original timeline. There was something satisfying about actually seeing him turn down the Vulcan Science Academy. That "Live long and prosper" sounded like "Live long and bite me!"
Considering that Pavel Chekov's birth year was literally altered by 4 years due to the destruction of the USS Kelvin, Spock's scenes in the 2009 film cannot be assumed to have taken place in the Prime Timeline. Furthermore, there is already evidence from Discovery that the Academy scene very much did not happen in the exact same way in the Prime Timeline. In the Kelvin timeline scene, the Academy mentions Spock's "disabilities" but only point out his human heritage. The Prime Timeline Academy would definitely mention Spock's "L'tak Terai" that he is revealed to have still suffered from in the Prime Timeline as of 2257.
Thus, the implication is that L'tak Terai was cured much earlier in the Kelvin Timeline than it was in the Prime Timeline (although there's never an outright on-screen statement that a cure was found, I will assume that the lack of mention of it in all TOS and later appearances indicate Spock was indeed cured, new info from Strange New Worlds notwithstanding).
Yistaan, you do realize that writers for either universe were not aware of L'tak Terai until DISCO, don't you?
This is the sort of thing I find a little disconcerting (and I'm not saying anything wrong happened or anything here or anywhere else, it's just something I never get used to). Mods on forums take sides and opinions in fan debates, and of course the non-mod person with an opposing point of view has to back down because they don't want any trouble.
And that's fine and that's that, and certainly mods have the right to voice their opinions too. I have other points to say but at this point let's just leave this topic at that and go on another tangent because I'm not comfortable discussing more due to what I just mentioned in the above paragraph. At the end of the day, this is just fiction about fantasy alternate timelines and what may or may not have happened in one or another fictional timeline.
Excuse me, Yistaan, but in this forum, I'm a poster just like you. And all I was doing was pointing out that writers of the other shows and movies (until PIC and DISCO) wouldn't have known about Spock having the Vulcan equivalent of dyslexia and dysgraphia.
Discovery season 2 had their Spock literally copy dialogue from the 2009 movie when explaining time travel. Spock and Sarek in the 2009 movie copied dialogue from Spock and Young Spock TAS (implying that TOS Spock got it from his father in the pre-"Yesteryear" timeline).
Same people, different circumstances.
Same people, different circumstances.
In novels perhaps? Maybe get a Coda novel at the end?
No.
I cannot stand JJ Trek. Or JJ anything, for that matter. He's like a McDonald's for movies. Though Beyond was the best of the bunch by a good distance.
I would not mind a fourth movie to close the timeline. But that should be it. I think the actors do a fine job with the crap they are given.
Move forward beyond Kirk, Spock, and crew. And JJ Abrams.
I cannot stand JJ Trek. Or JJ anything, for that matter. He's like a McDonald's for movies. Though Beyond was the best of the bunch by a good distance.
I would not mind a fourth movie to close the timeline. But that should be it. I think the actors do a fine job with the crap they are given.
Move forward beyond Kirk, Spock, and crew. And JJ Abrams.
I truly feel like the fan base should organize against these movies, maybe they'll stop? They have no redeeming or long-lasting qualities, and I saw no reason to rewatch any of them. Despite its naysayers, the Kurtzman-led streaming universe showed in my view how to do Star Trek, if clumsily. As time as gone on, despite me continuing to "like" the man, it's become clear that J.J. Abrams, the man who grew up revering Spielberg and Lucas, has soiled theirs and others' past creations. His Star Wars sequels look worse and worse, each time someone else produces new stories to that franchise, just like Trek.
JJ didn't really have anything to do with Beyond other than have his name attached. He wasn't director, or writer, on it. Er... maybe that's why it's the best of the trilogy...
Well, good luck with that, but you may find that organizing this "fan base" unanimously for or against anything tends to be a tricky endeavor.
So, because someone sees no value in means that those who do find value in it should no longer get it? What about the fans of these Trek films? Do they not count? I personally love the Abrams films, and find all his movies enjoyable at some level. Why should one part of the fan base tell another group what to enjoy?
I wouldn't agree with this. I think Star Trek 09 is an excellent film (although it's not without its flaws) and initially loved Into Darkness (with its greater flaws). I'm not as impressed by Beyond. Each to their own though.
There's a Star Trek for everyone and I don't see the fan base uniting for this reason.
Plus ST09 and STID made more money than any other Star Trek film. Paramount's gonna milk that cow even if a small but vocal subset of the fans try to stop the film.
I don't think it's really fair to organize against a cast and crew that, despite the quality of their work, do have good intentions and do like the fans and the franchise. You're basically campaigning for people not to get work. If one really doesn't like these movies, then don't watch them and vote with your dollar.
Too reasonable.
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You do know that current Trek overlord Alex Kurtzman co-wrote and co-produced those Kelvin universe movies, right?
Also, the chief reason the fourth movie is happening is because of market research showing people liked the first 3. Including myself, I see many redeeming qualities in them
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