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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x10 - "The Galactic Barrier"

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Didn’t they say in season one that they could spore jump anywhere in the universe? Now it just seems in their Galaxy.

Indeed they have mentioned that the spore drive allows them to go anywhere in the universe.
But remember that Disco also mentioned that the problem in using the Spore Drive without a navigator required sufficiently fast/powerful computer processing capabilities that the 23rd century didn't have... by the 24th century, this shoudn't have been a problem anymore because artificial brains existed by then (nevermind how far technology would have progressed SINCE then).

Seems that Disco writers squashed all of that and I'm getting increasingly irked with that.

Looks like Doug Drexler’s idea of the Enterprise J being a Universe class ship that travel to different galaxies has been squashed. These writers are very lacking when it comes to making the the 32nd century look more advanced than what came before.

My point exactly.
Nevermind the fact that in the 23rd century, the TOS Enterprise was able to get through the barrier fairly easily... and this is happening 932-ish years later.

UFP can't be allowed to evolve/advance as it should evidently... and if you ask me, this goes contrary to Trek's overall initial vision of a better tomorrow.

Its also possible that Doug Drexler's idea behind the ENT-J was that the UFP was able to leave the Milky Way galaxy.

I know what the novels say about the barrier, but no official canonical explanation behind the barrier was explored in the live action or animated series to date.
 
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I enjoyed it.

Yes, it's a bit slow-paced but I don't think it's too much, a bit right. There's something familiar about Oro's appearance. There's something up with Kovich. All that, plus he says he has another urgent matters, something Vance seem to be unconcerned of....
 
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ENT, SNW?, TOS, TNG, VOY, PIC translators!

The bridge flamethrowers were moved to the bar!

Interesting....the second one looks like it could be the new Strange New Worlds communicator, and they are debuting it on DSC...that's pretty neat!
 
In 2369, a ship named the CGN Carolique was located in extragalactic space and was on a deep space exploration mission in Sector 80912. This vessel used an open channel on Commnet 7 and had its messages relayed to Relay Station 67. This info is from the Ipai Sector Relay Log, first seen in the episode "Aquiel".

I remember from last season one of the Emerald Chain scientists describing the time period from which the Discovery originated as a "Golden Age" of scientific achievement. What happened to the Federation? That is the story I want to know. How did they lose the ability of traveling through the Galactic Barrier and communicating with people back home through the barrier? I am not going to ding the admiral on not knowing about the Carolique. In the real world, many people do not know about all the missions of exploration that occurred in our past.
 
Still no 10-C. This season could've been done and dusted tonight and been a stronger, tighter product (albeit with all the typical overwrought trimmings). Instead, we've got three more frackin' episodes of this? Honestly, this is the most excruciating mystery box Discovery has unpacked.

Book and Tarkin were the only highlight of this episode. Put me in the minority, but Saru and Vulcan lady aren't setting my world on fire. All will be forgiven if next episode kicks off with the two of them throwing themselves back on a bed exhausted after a passionate night of pre-First Contact shagging.

Michael, sometimes I think the only reason I come here is to listen to these wonderful speeches of yours. Christ, I thought she was about to start rambling on about a gazelle she saw on a trip to East Africa when she gave Yet Another Speech to the crew & delegation before jumping.

As anticipated, Earth and Ni'Var now in the firing line - entirely expected in the stakes-raising department.

Tarkin's bunk buddy =/= 10-C. They wouldn't, would they? Surely not. Not after the kid last season ...

I don't know how to describe this show. It's just so Discovery. The Discovery-ness is just getting more ... Discovery. That's it. It's an adjective at this point.

Looking forward to next week.
 
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In 2369, a ship named the CGN Carolique was located in extragalactic space and was on a deep space exploration mission in Sector 80912. This vessel used an open channel on Commnet 7 and had its messages relayed to Relay Station 67. This info is from the Ipai Sector Relay Log, first seen in the episode "Aquiel".

I remember from last season one of the Emerald Chain scientists describing the time period from which the Discovery originated as a "Golden Age" of scientific achievement. What happened to the Federation? That is the story I want to know. How did they lose the ability of traveling through the Galactic Barrier and communicating with people back home through the barrier? I am not going to ding the admiral on not knowing about the Carolique. In the real world, many people do not know about all the missions of exploration that occurred in our past.
Perhaps because of the subspace damage caused by the Burn and the Gorn
 
Yet another fine, but not spectacular episode. The discovery writers clearly just spinning their wheels in an attempt to delay the endgame of the season. So the question we need to ask ourselves is if it's worthwhile.

Generally speaking, I found the A plot of this episode - the crossing of the galactic barrier - to be weaker.

There were aspects of it I liked. As much as I have complained about the lack of tension in recent episodes, the decision to put an end to the cattiness between Michael and President Rillak was the right one, as it signaled growth on the part of both characters. I also think actually making the DMA a tangible threat again (even if it happened offscreen) was needed in order to have some urgency. We know that Earth/Ni'Var probably won't be destroyed, but it's not about our reaction, it's about that of the characters. And the "debate" between Rillak and Michael regarding whether to tell the crew or not was well-played and mature, as there were merits to both sides.

But the tension around - and the time taken - to actually cross the barrier was unconvincing and unneeded. We know as viewers they're going to make it, so the threat is more about what it reveals regarding the characters. In this case, it didn't reveal much because everyone was too busy reacting and spitting out technobabble. More broadly I just cannot stand the way Discovery does expository dialogue, and there's just way too much telling instead of showing here, from the opening conference room shot (really, a conference room?) to every cutback to the bridge.

But the B plot with Tarka and his...erm..."friend" was compelling stuff. Honestly, maybe the first time since Forget Me Not that I've been surprised in a good way by story turn in Discovery. Like that episode it's a love story between two characters - one we just met, and the other we barely know. While this episode doesn't make it 100% crystal clear that Tarka and dude had a romantic relationship, there can be no doubt that it's a deep and abiding love - one which is still felt so strongly for Tarka he's willing to do anything to be reunited. While the whole setup is something we've seen many times before, it makes him a much better, and more understandable, antagonist. I wish the entire episode was from his POV in some ways. Now this is how to waste time in style!

Looping back to odds and ends, The Saru/T'Rina stuff...developed a tiny bit I guess? Saru's awkwardness is cute, but they're really stringing us along here. And Adira is back, though they had no story purpose here other than to inform us they're totally fine with their boyfriend being written off the show. I don't mind this stuff - I used to love "Piller filler" back in the day after all. But at the same time I have to note that pretty much all the supporting cast gets now is filler scenes (and occasional technobabble in the case of Stamets).
 
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I cringed when the bridge crew began talking about the places they hoped to visit back on Earth. It seemed unnatural and forced to me. Other than Lt. Christopher, who wants to be in Europe skiing, what is this fascination with the Western US? It's beautiful, but it can't be the only place in the 32nd century that is a paradise on Earth.
 
I'm in the camp that was mostly frustrated by this episode.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaated the Tarka story. That was so much time spent showing us things we already knew all about, with only the barest scraps of new info revealed at the end.

The detail that angered me the most was that the original explanation a few eps back immediately suggested that Tarka's relationship with his "friend" was more than friendship, but ultimately left it vague -- and this episode plays it just as coy! I still have no idea what that relationship is or how it's understood by either participant, which makes this whole story feel like completely wasted time.

Also, after a few episodes of surprisingly strong alien makeup, the makeup for Oros is back to the usual terrible Disco standards -- overdone, aggressively fake, and looking more like a rubber mask than anything we ever saw in Berman Trek.

Perhaps that can be a consolation for all those who find it so frustrating that the 32nd Century is not more technologically advanced. Sometimes technical skill in an area does go backwards, as proven by comparing the alien makeup of Berman Trek to Streaming Trek.
 
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As anticipated, Earth and Ni'Var now in the firing line - entirely expected in the stakes-raising department.
Tarkin's bunk buddy =/= 10-C. They wouldn't, would they? Surely not. Not after the kid last season ...

the first is pretty much mandatory it's always Earth and/or the Ship...
Think you are right regarding his bunk buddy too.

This season I've started fast forwarding certain scenes (example the Captain Burnham speeches TM, some couples and non essential character stuff). I make sure not not miss anything important reading the summaries.
I'm much less annoyed now, though I expect another rolleyes resolution to the 10C a la Burn = crying Kelpien.
This show is a is a CW version of Star Trek after all.

Enjoyed the Tarka backstory with the bunk buddy.
He's not a one dimensional antagonist anymore if he's still one at all.
Always thought Tarka was talking about the emerald chain scientist (played by Kenneth Mitchell) for some reason prior to them showing this bunk buddy.

Seems they are writing out the communications officer (forgot his name) in the scene with Saru.
The actor got a primary role in another show lined up if I remember correctly.
 
Something just occurred to me for the first time. Is Wesley an ESP and was it the trip to the Travellers home that started it off by passing the barrier ?
 
Did the terrible ADR in the Saru/Culber hallway scene jump out at anyone else? This being the line they added for Culber:

"Insecurity is universal, and totally normal. It's OK."

It's so revealing that that's the line someone dictated MUST be added to the scene, after the fact. I'm always frustrated by Disco's compulsion to put so much of it's dialogue in super-modern affirmation phrasing, to make REALLY sure we do not miss what current values the show is endorsing. It always both breaks the reality of the show, and undermines whatever point they're trying to make.

The rest of the scene is lovely. The ADR line takes all the air out, it just collapses there.

It's depressing to realize that even if a scene gets fully shot without any of this forced modern dialogue being shoved into it, someone's going to mandate it at the editing stage.
 
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They are writing a lot of characters out, including the cat who had just recently got a book.

I am confused by these characters. I don't know, maybe it could be my autism, but I am having difficulty understanding the dialog this year and what is happening to these characters. It felt to me that things weren't going right between Adira and Gray, based on the character's behavior when asked about their partner.

And, I am confused by the chronology of Tarka. In a past episode, the admiral said that he first saw Tarka at a lecture 10 years before 3190. Then, in this episode, we learn that Tarka was a prisoner of the Emerald Chain 10 years before 3190. He had been kept in solitary confinement for four or five years. When he was with Oro, he worked alongside himself for two years, to 3182. Are we dealing with an unreliable narrator in Tarka, or is the admiral confused on when he first saw Tarka?
 
I loved this episode! Especially the flashbacks to Tarka/Oro, thought that was very, very touching! I am not bothered at all by the slow pace, I like that DSC takes its time to tell this story..! Thought there was a tremendous amount to love about this episode..!!
 
I don't know how to describe this show. It's just so Discovery. The Discovery-ness is just getting more ... Discovery. That's it. It's an adjective at this point.

So dead on. I did enjoy some Discovery-ness this week -- the Saru/T'Rina subplot was delightful. The President & Burnham has been a rewarding arc so far.

Seems they are writing out the communications officer (forgot his name) in the scene with Saru.
The actor got a primary role in another show lined up if I remember correctly.

Oh my god, did I burst out laughing at the huge music crescendo at the end of that. At the beginning, I thought "it's funny they think we even need this scene, we won't notice if Bryce takes the rest of the season off." But then when the music hit -- we are expected to find this a moving scene! I couldn't believe it! They have written NOTHING over 4 years to earn ANY emotion for this character! Nothing! Some of the other bridge folks have gotten some moments to give them dimension. Bryce never has.

And they think they've earned an emotional goodbye scene for this character? Incredible.

I am confused by these characters. I don't know, maybe it could be my autism, but I am having difficulty understanding the dialog this year and what is happening to these characters. It felt to me that things weren't going right between Adira and Gray, based on the character's behavior when asked about their partner.

My read on Adira's reaction in that moment was "Gray has broken up with me, but I'm not ready to tell anyone yet." I was surprised when the end of the episode seemed to tell us Adira's reaction was nothing more than missing Gray in a regular way.

Also, if Gray does not come back, I am truly going to lose my mind. If he's been written out, that was a lot of wasted screentime. They have gotten us interested and invested in that character. Stick with him.
 
I loved this episode! Especially the flashbacks to Tarka/Oro, thought that was very, very touching! I am not bothered at all by the slow pace, I like that DSC takes its time to tell this story..! Thought there was a tremendous amount to love about this episode..!!
Indeed. Love all the characters, with few exceptions. I am quite surprised by this season.
 
One little nitpick I have: they acted like spore jumping 5 l.y off course would cause a major delay. But at current warp speeds, 5 l.y should maybe take an extra few minutes. So it would not be a big delay. Also, considering the vastness of space, 5 l.y is very small. It should actually be pretty remarkable that he can jump possibly 10,000 l.y and only be off by 5 l.y. That's actually very accurate.
 
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