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If Earth were a donut

I love it when people keep trying to come up with rules as to why we supposedly can't travel to parallel universes or meet our counterparts or anything like that.

Like anybody's ever fucking TRIED? :guffaw:
 
The point is, it's pointless trying to come up with rules for parallel dimensions when nobody has ever done it before. Don't even try to tell me that there are rules, because THERE ARE NONE.

Not disagreeing. But speculation is fun.

On Earth 6541234 I'm a leggy brunette named Johanna
 
There's probably a universe where there's no shrimp.

And another universe where there's only shrimp.
 
In an infinite multiverse, literally anything is possible.

For example, there are universes where we are all having this exact conversation, but we're sitting on top of giant rockets filled with pudding and we're breathing chlorine. :lol:
If you're willing to put in a lot of food grade potassium nitrate and make the pudding sugary, that pudding rocket is doable as a gel-solid. Brits have this completely different idea of puddings (English people always act like they invented the language). An English pudding rocket would need plenty of sugar. Since this universe has a chlorine atmosphere, making some kind of hybrid gaseous perchlorate injected into the pudding and ignited at the combustion chamber should provide some thrust.
 
How about Earth being hit by a Gamma Ray Burst?
"Hey, big guy. Sun's gettin' real low..."
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"Hey, big guy. Sun's gettin' real low..."
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Imagine 7-8 billion humans absorbing the GRB and becoming Hulks - then someone makes a snide comment on TrekBBS and it quickly spirals out of control over the entire world because everybody gets angry and the planet still dies ;)
 
Eric Lerner, who heads up LPP Fusion project has proposed that what we believe are black holes are actually dense toroidal plasmas.

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(there are several parts to this series and I won't repeat them all here)

essentially he posits that theoretical black holes are actually plasmoids, giant plasma donuts.

Plasma universe theory is not mainstream and does not have a lot of defenders, so I realize he's on the fringe, but it is interesting, and he's a fascinating individual.
 
Was it Forward who had Pluto being a torus like hypergravity body we could use for slingshots or something?
 
Who said we can't?
I say that we cannot. Impossible. The Earth quantum tunnelling to Andromeda tomorrow at noon is more likely.

Generally, the simpler things are, the more probable they are. I'm not talking about Occam's razor, I'm talking that adding more fixed variables makes things mathematically less likely (it's exponentially more likely to randomly meet three persons dressed in red, green, and blue, than six persons dressed in red, green, blue, cyan, magenta and yellow). It is therefore not only reasonable to look for the simplest wholesale model of the universe that explains everything in it, but adding unnecessary things to that model makes your explanation less and less likely – add a whole universe worth of somethings, and the improbably of the universe is squared. (In multi-universe terms, there would be a gazillion more universes where we are having the same conversation, but those somethings aren't present. Chances we are in the one where they are present? One in a gazillion.)

Now, to fully explain the universe and avoid the circular arguments, you do need to invoke other universes in the argument in at least some fashion, probably go all in on it. As an example, we may or may not discover that space-faring civilizations like ours develop in only one out of a million universes. Without other universes, not only in the sentence itself is nonsensical, the totally reasonable possibility appears impossible – you would be forever looking for the reasons why we're lucky to hit such an incredible chance to be here. We are actually making the flawed argument that they have to be here, because we are – assuming other universes as part of the equation gives us the ability to look at real possibilities without ours. And that's without considering every parameter of the universe that had to be right for development of life to be possible at all. Considering our universe special would always leave unanswered questions, more than can be simply handwaved, and makes go along with wrong assumptions; but considering it non-special along all possible ones seems like a simple resolution, that leads to less problems.

Except if you imply we're connected to the others and can actually travel there. Then we go off the rails. Now they are no longer simply a tool for setting up your argument and exploring the range of possibilites, they become an active part of our reality that we are trying to explain. If we can travel there, the universes can interact; if they can interact, they did interact naturally once; if they did, they are more than extensions of our own that also need to be now explained together with a larger metaverse, which would require other metaverses to explain its existence, until it's metaⁿverses all the way down.

More than that, suggesting travel is possible, implies the universes are close to one another in some fashion (what fashion?), and they thus share a common dependent development, that now needs to be explained in a common package.

Let's assume our development occurred completely independently of other universes, i.e. you don't have to explain an interaction that drastically altered our history at the dawn of time, or include the whole of some other unrelated universe in our ancestry. And yet we have that one that universe is “near”* us, and we can travel there. Since the development is independent, we're not locked to a particular one, hence this can be an arbitrary** compatible one. This means that in another universe where we are having the exact same conversation, they can travel to... an absolutely different one, which makes ours and theirs development diverge completely. Hence the universes are no longer independent. So travel implies dependence, but the actual problem is that any moment of our existence after we travelled to that other universe is a gazillion times less probable, because nothing suggested we should have travelled to that exact one, yet all of its features now shape our future development; and our hypothetical identicals from mirror Earths would have travelled to a completely different one. (Quantum non-determinism has the same effect, but it occurs gradually, not at once)

* I mean, there is no mechanism for travel suggested, there is no known magnitude by which they could be “near” (other than similarity, but that would involve travelling to them by running a computer simulation, not doing space magic) – it's on those suggesting such craziness to be a possiblility to suggest how that happens – but I'm assuming there was.
** Fixing more things decreases probability, so some randomness is inevitable.
 
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