Do starships have galleys? (24/25th century and up)

[Galaxy]

In Insurrection, Picard says to tell the Galley to skip the fish.

Granted Galley could be a term for some Replicator preparation team, however, since apparently one can tell the difference between replicated and real food, it would make sense to have real cooks for certain occasions.

 

[Dryson]

A galley on a ship would create an emotional connection between the crew member and their home world which would definitely boost morale on long, deep space missions.

Mom's home made cooking using pots and pans sure does taste better than any fast food or Replicated food.

 

[oberth]

A galley on a ship would create an emotional connection between the crew member and their home world which would definitely boost morale on long, deep space missions.

Mom's home made cooking using pots and pans sure does taste better than any fast food or Replicated food.

do you really believe that anyone would accept the logistical nightmare a galley on board a ship like the E (or even worse the D) creates for that feel good factor - feeding everyone with replicators needs a bunch of replicators and power conduits plus whatever was in janeway's coffee nebula.

the galley that should skip the fish to me always was a wall of replicators - gettting the stuff out banquet style should be enough of a hazzle.

the dude who invented the replicators was probably lauded by ship warfs because they could get rid of storage rooms and all of trip's protein resequenzing equipment. that space could then be used for more interesting things like phaser banks or laborotories.

 

[MAGolding]

Starships don't have galleys. Oars don't work in outer space.

 

[Dryson]

do you really believe that anyone would accept the logistical nightmare a galley on board a ship like the E (or even worse the D) creates for that feel good factor - feeding everyone with replicators needs a bunch of replicators and power conduits plus whatever was in janeway's coffee nebula.

the galley that should skip the fish to me always was a wall of replicators - gettting the stuff out banquet style should be enough of a hazzle.

the dude who invented the replicators was probably lauded by ship warfs because they could get rid of storage rooms and all of trip's protein resequenzing equipment. that space could then be used for more interesting things like phaser banks or laborotories.

The galley aboard a starship would not just be about feeding people with real, home cooked meals.

Since a galley would need replenished from time to time, the starship would need to make port of calls to planets within the Federation.

Those port of calls would give crewmen the opportunity to set foot on a different planet to enjoy and investigate the planet for their own archives.

Starfleet isn't about containing the crew in a shell and feeding them replicated food. A galley would give the crew a chance to experience strange new worlds.

Having several galleys on board a Starship would actually be rather efficient in feeding the crew.

An aircraft carrier feeds around 5,000 people on a daily basis, three times a day, that consumes between 400,000 and 1 million pounds of food that needs resupplied every ten days or so.

Most starship, not the big Galaxy class type, have small crews of between 400 and 500. So having galleys on board to feed the crew non-replicated food would not be an overwhelming engineering addition.

Galleys would also serve to provide food during times of emergency, such as when a ship is adrift in space and running on auxiliary batteries.

You wouldn't want to spend all of that extra energy on the replication system when producing oxygen and scrubbing the air of carbon dioxide should take priority.

 

[oberth]

The galley aboard a starship would not just be about feeding people with real, home cooked meals.

Since a galley would need replenished from time to time, the starship would need to make port of calls to planets within the Federation.

Those port of calls would give crewmen the opportunity to set foot on a different planet to enjoy and investigate the planet for their own archives.

Starfleet isn't about containing the crew in a shell and feeding them replicated food. A galley would give the crew a chance to experience strange new worlds.

for none of that a galley is necessary or even helpfull - all of that happens in tos and i guess we are in agreement that there is no galley aboard ncc 1701 (and no damned letter)

also (assuming for the moment that replicators produce inferior food):

• if there's a galley aboard how would you prevent a mutiny of those who are on replicated food?
  
• if there's real food for everybody you are in the afore mentioned logistical nightmare
• so if there are galleys in ships why are we seeing everybody using the replicators at all times
• and btw, why isn't quark out of business (foodwise) - flying in fresh ingredients from bajor shouldn't be a problem, right?

bejamin sisko's cooking is depicted as an eccentricisty as is his father's; replicated food cant's be that bad when it feeds billions of terrans and as joseph apparently doesn't charge his customers there should be a riot at his front door (as to who gets in and who doesn't) every day

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disclaimer: i'm fully aware that tos' replicators came into being to avoid the logistical problems all the wet navies of this planet had to deal with for the show - trip's protein resequencing technology obviously can be seen as the missing link inbetween what we eat and replicated food

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as you edited in an aircraft carrier: that is exactly the logistical nightmare i'm talking about - how many interstellar cods (probably need to rename them but they are certainly dodo-class) do we need for that?

 

[Dryson]

In the 24th and 25th century, storing the indegrients for real food would not be a logistic nightmare due to the ability of starships to basically shrink the ingredients into smaller sizes.

You brought up a good point about the crew going on a mutiny due to 'being on replicated food'.

Why would the crew mutiny due to replicated food?

Just another reason to have galleys, to avoid mutunies related to replicated food.

Quark is a hustler and a business man. Not going to Bajor everytime for his food supplies would ensure his competitors didn't leach into the supply. Not to mention, Quark going to different planets to get his good supplies would ensure Quarks name was spread around the quadrant as the go to guy, which is based on numerous Ferengi Rules of Aquisition.

In ST:VI, we see the galley of the NCC-1701-A. Although ST:VI is set in 2293, seven years before the 24th century, starship would still have had galleys well into the 24th century.

 

[oberth]

In the 24th and 25th century, storing the indegrients for real food would not be a logistic nightmare due to the ability of starships to basically shrink the ingredients into smaller sizes.

You brought up a good point about the crew going on a mutiny due to 'being on replicated food'.

Why would the crew mutiny due to replicated food?

Just another reason to have galleys, to avoid mutunies related to replicated food.

1. starting from today's dehydrated food* they'd need every day the can get to improve on that and where will the water to rehydrate come from? replicators?
   
2. you need galley food for everybody then or on a basis of a of one-day-in-every-six-months** routine
3. it's been called inferior in this very thread
4. if all have to eat the same replicated crap there's no reason for it but crews will fall like locusts on innocent planets

apart from malfunctions, bad recipes and personal taste (tom paris and tomato soup) i never thought replicated food to be inferior - real food is for food snobs and i am one of those, so i probably need to switch to inventing replicator recipes in the near future

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* shrinking obviously means taking the water out as starfleet would never use rojan's cubes for that (even if they got their hands on the technology)
** numbers are open to debate

 

[Dryson]

A Ticonderoga Class cruiser is comparable in size to the TOS 1701. The NCC-1701 is larger and more volumuous than the Ticonderoga class cruiser. There would be enough space for dedicated store rooms to store compressed, bulk items in.

Galleys would also have been needed to cook meals for important visitors who want to eat real, hand cooked meals.

If you read about the interior volume of the Enterprise D, most of the interior volume is not occupied which could be used to store bulk food in.

No, shrinking would involve reducing the grain to a smaller size without having to use dehydration.

Actually, one way the ships stores could increase the volume of the food being eaten could be to use a type of edible micro-balloon.

Making my own fishing lures using a 3D printed, hollow lure body and then filling the lure cavity with resin, I have to add micro-balloons to make the resin buoyant. Otherwise the lure will sink.
When I add an amount of micro-balloons to the resin, the volume of resin actually increases as the resin cures, which involves the resin getting very hot.

There have been times when I mixed the cavity volume of the lure with micro-balloons and the resin was too much and I had to throw the excess resin away.

The same process could be used with food aboard a starship.

 

[oberth]

A Ticonderoga Class cruiser is comparable in size to the TOS 1701. The NCC-1701 is larger and more volumuous than the Ticonderoga class cruiser. There would be enough space for dedicated store rooms to store compressed, bulk items in.

Galleys would also have been needed to cook meals for important visitors who want to eat real, hand cooked meals.

If you read about the interior volume of the Enterprise D, most of the interior volume is not occupied which could be used to store bulk food in.

No, shrinking would involve reducing the grain to a smaller size without having to use dehydration.

Actually, one way the ships stores could increase the volume of the food being eaten could be to use a type of edible micro-balloon.

Making my own fishing lures using a 3D printed, hollow lure body and then filling the lure cavity with resin, I have to add micro-balloons to make the resin buoyant. Otherwise the lure will sink.
When I add an amount of micro-balloons to the resin, the volume of resin actually increases as the resin cures, which involves the resin getting very hot.

There have been times when I mixed the cavity volume of the lure with micro-balloons and the resin was too much and I had to throw the excess resin away.

The same process could be used with food aboard a starship.

so why has not one of the shows (bare voy and ent, of course) a single episode adressing anything of that? jean-luc doesn't even shop at a klingon base to get some gagh for worf's birthday party? for what reason hasn't anybody used the possibilities of this for a single scgript in 55 years? are the writers all morons? a possible tile could have been the planet of the dodos.

 

[dupersuper]

Starships don't have galleys. Oars don't work in outer space.

Try telling that to Kanjar Ro...

 

[MAGolding]

Try telling that to Kanjar Ro...

Who?

 

[dupersuper]

Who?

kanjar ro boat - Google Search

 

[Deks]

A galley on a ship would create an emotional connection between the crew member and their home world which would definitely boost morale on long, deep space missions.

Mom's home made cooking using pots and pans sure does taste better than any fast food or Replicated food.

A SF ship usually has a mixture of species from across the Federation... what you're talking about requires social activities and connection between people of the same/similar species.
Though, these people don't strike me as types who would be vying for their homeworlds... they chose to live in space... its what attracts them most.
They get the social fullfillment from going to hubs of social activities on ships... but that can happen in the mess hall for example, holodeck... even during duty shifts...

I don't think ships in the 24th, 25th or 26th century have galleys with actual cooks (that was a thing in the 22nd century yes, but since the advent in molecular manufacturing in the 23rd century, having galley's with actual cooks became superfluous because people could simply make what they want... its probably a combination of replication equipment coupled with maybe a few officers to man them on special occasions if an important First Contact situation arose (otherwise, most people would serve themselves).

Usually, most of the crew goes to socialize in the mess halls of a starship for the social experience and a change of pace probably, and holodecks.

 

[Shawnster]

23rd /24th century food slots/replicators were primitive. The food tasted synthetic or mass produced. Think about the quality of generic vending machine food.

Mid 24th century replicators were passable and some considered it quite palatable. Think about fast food or diner food. Jean Luc Picard might feel replicated caviar isn't as delicious as real caviar, but there is a question whether he could pick it out in a blind taste test.

24th/25th century replicators are top of the line and produce high quality dishes indistinguishable from a 1 star Michelin restaurant.

 

[The Wormhole]

^^Even in the 32nd century, replicated food is considered inferior to real food.

 

[1001001]

^^Even in the 32nd century, replicated food is considered inferior to real food.

 

[Nerys Myk]

No, but there is a Starbucks on Deck 3.

Reminds me of some photoshops I did for the Caption Contests

FERRIS: Stop complaining. We need sponsors. Starships don't grow on trees.

PICARD: So, did I stutter when I said "Earl Grey hot"??!!!!