Do starships have galleys? (24/25th century and up)

[valkyrie013]

Terry Matalas, Picard showrunner asked a question on twitter, do starships have a galley?

I'm guessing for the late 24th early 25th century ships.
Plenty of references and screen uses on the NX and Constituion class ships of the 22nd and 23rd century.
Was a mention in Insurrection of a galley on the Enterprise E during the protectorate dinner.

My opinion is yes. But more of there is a cook onboard and more of a small kitchen type of setting, not huge making food 24/7 like current navy ships. More like say a lab space.

The cook makes new recipes for the replicator, makes food for special occasions or first contacts where a food item isn't in the replicator menu.

Your thoughts?

 

[The Wormhole]

Voyager didn't until Neelix turned the Captain's Dining Room into one. Although we later see the Intrepid class Bellerophon had its own galley anyway instead of a Captain's Dining Room. So who the hell knows.

I'd say typically no, but there do appear to be exceptions.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Voyager didn't until Neelix turned the Captain's Dining Room into one.

Ordinarily I'd agree with that, except in that one DS9 ep, we see that the Bellerophon (another Intrepid-class ship) has a similar configuration.

So it would seem that Neelix didn't build the dining room from scratch, he merely accessed the plans that were already there.

 

[matthunter]

Galley, LaForge.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Depends on the size of the ship. Voyager? Yep, they had all the luxuries. Defiant? Protostar? Nope.

 

[The Wormhole]

Ordinarily I'd agree with that, except in that one DS9 ep, we see that the Bellerophon (another Intrepid-class ship) has a similar configuration.

So it would seem that Neelix didn't build the dining room from scratch, he merely accessed the plans that were already there.

Thing is, when we saw the mess hall in Caretaker, there was a wall with a bank of replicators where the counter to the galley would later be. Which raises questions of how could Neelix do all that on his own and not get noticed until everything was already done.

And really, the real world reason why the Bellerophon had a galley is because the set people likely forgot the galley was not part of the original set.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Thing is, when we saw the mess hall in Caretaker, there was a wall with a bank of replicators where the counter to the galley would later be. Which raises questions of how could Neelix do all that on his own and not get noticed until everything was already done.

It would seem that those replicators can easily be removed to allow access to the dining room, should the captain choose that configuration.

Neelix clearly knows his way around a ship, so it probably wasn't hard for him to do so.

 

[The Wormhole]

But when would he have done it. That's where the entire crew goes to eat, no one noticed him removing replicators and knocking down a wall until Janeway walked into her dining room and noticed it was turned into a kitchen?

 

[Paul Weaver]

Crew probably assumed he had permission, after all starfleet crew members aren’t used to people not following the rules and thus he must have permission. Unless Tuvok or maybe Chuckles noticed it I wouldn’t expect them to raise it

was it before or after they chose a chief engineer?

 

[Takeru]

Did Neelix remove the replicators? IIRC when he converted Janeway's dining room into the kitchen it was still closed to the mess hall, that's why it had turned into a steam sauna when Janeway entered. The wall panels and replications were probably removed after Janeway approved the kitchen.

I think generally 24th century ships do not have them, when we saw crewmembers cook they always used a setup in their quarters, I would assume at least the senior officers would have access to the galley if they wanted to but they chose to cook in their living rooms on a tiny mobile stove, so I think they didn't have them in the 24th century.

 

[Orphalesion]

If they don't have them as a standard feature, then I could still imagine that there might be a way to quickly convert a room to a galley in emergency situations when the crew can't rely ob replicators/replicators alone for their nourishment(like it happened on Voyager)
Though if er follow that idea, then a ship with a crew as large as a Galaxy starship better create multiple galleys (or a very, very large one) for such a situation.

Also makes me wonder whether they have ready-to-eat emergency rations stored somewhere.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

In my head canon for my 26th century, all StarFleet ships have moved the Bridge to be somewhere near the center of the saucer (will vary based on design).

The Top & Bottom most points on the saucer sections (Dorsal / Ventral)-sides of the saucer are reserved for a large (Galley / Mess Hall / Bar / Cafe / Pub / Lounge / Rec Room) like function that have full deck-height windows to see the outside.

It's a place for socializing, eating, having fun on Off-Duty hours.

It's for holding official functions, etc.

Every StarFleet StarShip will have two of them in those locations.

If poeple don't want to socialize, they can still eat in their quarters.

 

[Orphalesion]

In my head canon for my 26th century, all StarFleet ships have moved the Bridge to be somewhere near the center of the saucer (will vary based on design).

The Top & Bottom most points on the saucer sections (Dorsal / Ventral)-sides of the saucer are reserved for a large (Galley / Mess Hall / Bar / Cafe / Pub / Lounge / Rec Room) like function that have full deck-height windows to see the outside.

It's a place for socializing, eating, having fun on Off-Duty hours.

It's for holding official functions, etc.

Every StarFleet StarShip will have two of them in those locations.

If poeple don't want to socialize, they can still eat in their quarters.

So on the bottom most point of the saucer section....do those facilities have a transparent floor through which you can see the outside. That would be really cool/trippy.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

So on the bottom most point of the saucer section....do those facilities have a transparent floor through which you can see the outside. That would be really cool/trippy.

For obvious "Production Reasons" & "In-Universe Tactical Reasons"; I'd have to say 'no'.

You would have to use the built in holographic projector if you want to see what's beneath your feet or above your head.

But having full deck height windows should allow ALOT of visibility to the outside world.

And that's the only place on the vessel with that much Window coverage, everything else is your standard window sizes.

 

[1001001]

No, but there is a Starbucks on Deck 3.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

No, but there is a Starbucks on Deck 3.

Funny thing is, the US military has StarBucks on their Carriers.

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[The Wormhole]

In my head canon for my 26th century, all StarFleet ships have moved the Bridge to be somewhere near the center of the saucer (will vary based on design).

Then it's not the bridge anymore. Bridge literally means the very top of the ship. Which is why it made no sense that they called the command center on the Shenzhou the bridge. Ditto on the Kelvin.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Then it's not the bridge anymore. Bridge literally means the very top of the ship. Which is why it made no sense that they called the command center on the Shenzhou the bridge. Ditto on the Kelvin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_(nautical)

The bridge is a room or platform of a ship from which the ship can be commanded. When a ship is under way, the bridge is manned by an officer of the watch aided usually by an able seaman acting as a lookout. During critical maneuvers the captain will be on the bridge, often supported by an officer of the watch, an able seaman on the wheel and sometimes a pilot, if required.

History and etymology
Traditionally, sailing ships were commanded from the quarterdeck, aft of the mainmast, where the ship's wheel was located (as it was close to the rudder). With the arrival of paddle steamers, engineers required a platform from which they could inspect the paddle wheels and where the captain's view would not be obstructed by the paddle houses. A raised walkway, literally a bridge, connecting the paddle houses was therefore provided. When the screw propeller superseded the paddle wheel, the term "bridge" survived.[1]

Wheelhouses were a small enclosure around the ship's wheel on the quarter deck of sailing ships. On modern ships the wheelhouse or pilothouse refers to the bridge of smaller motor vessels, such as tugs.[1]

Traditionally, commands would be passed from the senior officer on the bridge to stations dispersed throughout the ship, where physical control of the ship was exercised, as technology did not exist for the remote control of steering or machinery. Helm orders would be passed to an enclosed wheel house, where the coxswain or helmsman operated the ship's wheel. Engine commands would be relayed to the engine officer in the engine room by an engine order telegraph that displayed the captain's orders on a dial. The engine officer would ensure that the correct combination of steam pressure and engine revolutions were applied. Weatherproof pilot houses supplanted open bridges so that the pilot, who was traditionally the ship's navigating officer, could issue commands from shelter.[1]

Iron, and later steel, ships also required a compass platform. This was usually a tower, where a magnetic compass could be sited far away as possible from the ferrous interference of the hulk of the ship. Depending upon the design and layout of a ship, all of these terms can be variously interchangeable. Many ships still have a flying bridge, a platform atop the pilot house, open to weather, containing a binnacle and voice tubes to allow the conning officer to direct the ship from a higher position during fair weather conditions.[1]

Larger warships may have navigation bridge would be used for the actual conning of the ship and a separate admiral's bridge can be provided in flagships, where the admiral can exercise control over his squadron without interfering with the captain's command of the vessel. In older warships, a heavily armored conning tower was often provided, where the vital command staff could be located under protection to ensure that the ship could be commanded under fire.[2]

On a submarine, the bridge is the highest point on the conning tower, to provide for better visual navigation when on the surface.[3] They became standard on United States Navy submarines after 1917, greatly improving the function of the vessels while at the surface.[4]

Modern advances in remote control equipment have seen progressive transfer of the actual control of the ship to the bridge. The wheel and throttles can be operated directly from the bridge, controlling often-unmanned machinery spaces. Aboard modern warships, navigational command comes from the bridge, whereas electronically directed weapon systems are usually controlled from an interior compartment.[2]

On a commercial vessel, the bridge will contain the equipment necessary to safely navigate a vessel on passage. Such equipment will vary with ship type, but generally includes a GPS navigation device, a Navtex receiver, an ECDIS or chart system, one or more radars, a communications system (including distress calling equipment), engine (telegraph) controls, a wheel/autopilot system, a magnetic compass (for redundancy and cross check capability) and light/sound signalling devices.[5]


Navigation station
Navigation station on a ship
The navigation station of a ship may be located on the bridge or in a separate chart room, nearby. It includes a table sized for nautical charts where calculations of course and location are made. The navigator plots the course to be followed by the ship on these charts.[6] Besides the desk and the navigation charts, the area contains navigational instruments that may include electronic equipment for a Global Positioning System receiver and chart display, fathometer, a compass, a marine chronometer, two-way radios, and radiotelephone, etc.[7]

Flying bridge
A flying bridge is an open area on top of a surface ship that provides unobstructed views of the fore, aft, and the sides of a vessel,[8][9] and that serves as an operating station for the ship's officers, such as the captain or officer of the watch.[9]

Prior to World War II, virtually every sailing ship, steamship, monitor, paddle steamer, or large pleasure ship had a flying bridge above the main bridge.[9] Flying bridges were generally not enclosed at all (although sometimes they were partially enclosed), and often had little equipment—usually just a speaking tube or telephone to allow communication with the helmsman or wheelman on the main bridge.[9] On military warships after 1914, the flying bridge was usually the station for the air defense officer and the gunnery officer.[3] The amount of equipment on a flying bridge varies widely with the need of the captain. During World War II, for example, American submarine chaser surface ships had a well-outfitted flying bridge which usually contained a pelorus, signal lamps, telescope, and voice tube to permit the captain to command the ship.[10] U.S. Navy attack transport ships could be outfitted with either 20mm or 40mm automatic cannons on their flying bridges.[11]

Flying bridges were almost always the highest bridge on the ship.[8] They usually were above the flag bridge (also known as the "admiral's bridge"–a bridge above the main bridge on a command warship where a high-ranking officer such as an admiral could conduct fleet operations, plan strategy, and conduct large battles) and the main bridge.[3]

Since the 1980s, large pleasure craft may have a flying bridge[12] toward the stern that is used as additional outdoor seating space and a place to store a tender.[13] On the smallest surface vessels, such as a sport fishing boat, the flying bridge may have controls permitting the ship to be piloted from the flying bridge, but will lack the full range of controls of the pilot house. On larger small vessels, the flying bridge may actually be enclosed, in which case it is more properly called an "upper pilot house" or "upper bridge".[3]

Bridge wing
The bridge wing of the MS Amera while in use
Some flying bridges have "bridge wings", open areas which thrust outward from the flying bridge over the sides of the vessel by approximately 10 to 15 feet (3.0 to 4.6 m) to allow an officer to see the side of his ship while docking or working with smaller vessels.[9] A bridge wing is a narrow walkway extending from both sides of a pilothouse to the full width of a ship or slightly beyond, to allow bridge personnel a full view to aid in the maneuvering of the ship.[14] Officers use bridge wings when docking or maneuvering in locks and narrow waterways. Each bridge wing may be equipped with a console controlling the bow thruster, stern thruster, rudder and engines.[15]

Nowhere is the Bridge "Required" to be on Top.

And Gene's rule or whomever devised it (The name escapes my memory at the moment), about placing it on Top of the StarShip is a bad idea.

In a modern era when you can bury the Bridge behind more Hull and Armor, you should.

 

[The Wormhole]

Nowhere is the Bridge "Required" to be on Top.

It is on submarines. As per your article:

On a submarine, the bridge is the highest point on the conning tower,

Okay, so I mistakenly assumed the same applied on all forms of ships, since on submarines, there is a separate command center besides the bridge. Indeed, even surface naval vessels seem to follow a similar practice, with the bridge on the topmost part of the ship and a CIC within the ship itself.

Honestly, the command center should only be called a bridge if it is indeed at the top. Anywhere else it should no longer be called a bridge.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Okay, so I mistakenly assumed the same applied on all forms of ships, since on submarines, there is a separate command center besides the bridge. Indeed, even surface naval vessels seem to follow a similar practice, with the bridge on the topmost part of the ship and a CIC within the ship itself.

Honestly, the command center should only be called a bridge if it is indeed at the top. Anywhere else it should no longer be called a bridge.

Traditions change, especially when you're in the future.

Remember, in ST:Nemesis, the Bridge was nearly destroyed in the battle with the Scimitar.

In ST:ENT, in a alternate timeline, the Bridge was destroyed.

I'd rather move the Bridge to a safer area, and CIC is attached next to the Bridge on my layout where it's buried DEEP within the Saucer section.