What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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To be honest I was more interested in his internal conflict over saving Edith Keeler than their romance.
Wow...(genuinely).
It's too easy to forget how wonderful some of the music for TOS really was. That's great stuff right there.
Season 3 may be the weakest link for TOS is so many respects but when the budget got cut you can see how Fred Freiberger told them to still make the series as attractive as possible, including the musical orchestration. Heck, in Season 3 the uniform shirts were finally made of a better material than velour. They were rayon or nylon or something like that but you can clearly see how much better they looked and sat on the actor's torsos.
I agree. There was also something more modern about the cinematography during S3 that I liked. Some of S2 looks very grainy and even herky-jerky at times. S3 has a slick look to it, even with the reduced budget they were dealing with.
Probably my favorite "romance" was the one Picard got in Lessons. Rejoined gets props for actually having LGBT content. After that...?
I do like the canon Ambassador's saucer, neck, and secondary hull – like a chunky, updated Constitution-class, with nice and strong curvilinear lines. However, I think that the "original concept" version of the Ambassador-class, as realised by Tobias Richter – what Star Trek Online calls the Narendra-class – is the single best saucer-secondary-nacelles-style starship design we've ever seen, anywhere. Never mind the Enterprise-C, I wish this had been the Enterprise-D.
How's that for a controversial Star Trek opinion
I think the original Probert design works better as a refit of the Sternbach ambassador than the other way around. It skews way too much toward the TNG era than the canon Ambassador which serves as a good "missing link" between the Connie refit/Excelsior and the Galaxy class. Sternbach's design has a lot of cues to the Constitution refit, the Excelsior, and the Galaxy which help establish it as an in-between design, something that's lacking in Probert's design which looks about as new as the Galaxy class.
I like the texture/appearance of the S1-2 uniform fabric, but the fit of the S3 uniforms.
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I tend to agree, though I would say there are a few exceptions to the rule. But overall, Star Trek's history with romance is poor and I would prefer it flat out ignore it all together.
I think part of the issue is honestly to have a romance that works onscreen the viewer must care about both the characters - but the legwork of getting us to care about the guest character is basically never done.
That's a fair point and one that probably resonates far more with other audience members than myself. I usually don't require a lot of legwork to get me to care about a character but getting me to care about their romantic life? I barely care about that with people I know in real life. What is going to make me do so in fiction?
Hence why Chakotay and Seven never seemed right. In general viewers liked or even loved Seven. Not so much Chakotay, and when their relationship came out of left field the fact that Chuckles wasn't exactly high on most VOY viewers' Best Characters list helped make an already bad idea worse.
Janeway and Chakotay have chemistry. Seven and Chakotay have no chemistry.
Some people in the PIC Forum were complaining about Seven of Nine not mentioning Chakotay. I call it a milder form of mock-outrage and to that I asked: how often does discussion of someone you dated 20 years ago come up? Especially if it didn't work out and no one else on Picard would have any reason to even know Chakotay?
When Voyager made it back to the Alpha Quadrant, guaranteed they split within days or weeks, if not immediately.
Some people in the PIC Forum were complaining about Seven of Nine not mentioning Chakotay. I call it a milder form of mock-outrage and to that I asked: how often does discussion of someone you dated 20 years ago come up? Especially if it didn't work out and no one else on Picard would have any reason to even know Chakotay?
When Voyager made it back to the Alpha Quadrant, guaranteed they split within days or weeks, if not immediately.
Romance of the Week episodes in the franchise are generally bad because we know it won't go beyond that single episode. (Rarely does that happen.)
It's a fatal flaw that makes us not care about the relationship. There are two ways that work in the franchise, and in other shows in general.
The first way is to have a couple BE a couple from the jump. Like Stamets and Culber in DISCOVERY. Just let them be a couple, showing us some scenes of them being together peppered in episodes is enough to make you care about them. While they are not my favorite couple, I find them at least believable, and that goes a long way.
The second way is showing a relationship grow from the ground up. Best example of this is Tom and B'Elanna. They start off as not exactly friendly with each other, to gaining mutual respect, a friendship, and finally falling in love and getting married. It was a slow journey, but it was worth it because you were with them during that journey. It made us care about them, and it also had the secondary effect of making it believable, because we've seen that in real life many times.
Don't get me wrong... I find it lazy to hook up all lead characters with each other just for the sake of doing it and for some drama. When there's onscreen chemistry between two people, great... go for it. But it shouldn't be a crutch. The whole 'will they, won't they' is such a tired trope that it immediately sours me those episodes when it comes to forefront. Trip and T'Pol spring to mind as an example of this. (It's one of the few aspects of ENTERPRISE that actually got on my nerves.)
In short, I feel Romance of the Week episodes are doomed to failure simply because of the nature of the shows.
It's a fatal flaw that makes us not care about the relationship. There are two ways that work in the franchise, and in other shows in general.
The first way is to have a couple BE a couple from the jump. Like Stamets and Culber in DISCOVERY. Just let them be a couple, showing us some scenes of them being together peppered in episodes is enough to make you care about them. While they are not my favorite couple, I find them at least believable, and that goes a long way.
The second way is showing a relationship grow from the ground up. Best example of this is Tom and B'Elanna. They start off as not exactly friendly with each other, to gaining mutual respect, a friendship, and finally falling in love and getting married. It was a slow journey, but it was worth it because you were with them during that journey. It made us care about them, and it also had the secondary effect of making it believable, because we've seen that in real life many times.
Don't get me wrong... I find it lazy to hook up all lead characters with each other just for the sake of doing it and for some drama. When there's onscreen chemistry between two people, great... go for it. But it shouldn't be a crutch. The whole 'will they, won't they' is such a tired trope that it immediately sours me those episodes when it comes to forefront. Trip and T'Pol spring to mind as an example of this. (It's one of the few aspects of ENTERPRISE that actually got on my nerves.)
In short, I feel Romance of the Week episodes are doomed to failure simply because of the nature of the shows.
The optical effects were much improved, too. Mike Minor’s contributions and the advancing state of the art added much to program. The Melkotian, all of “The Tholian Web”, as well as “The Lights of Zetar”, were a visual feast.
The downside of "Resolutions" was that from the demeanor of Chakotay and Janeway, both before Voyager returned for them (when they were talking boats) and after (when they were talking phaser maintenance)... you could tell that stuff happened between them in the six weeks after Chakotay's warrior story. It makes sense that there would be aftereffects of some sort. But no, big red reset button and J/C's over like it never was.
The only problem I had with Seven/Chakotay is that it came out of no where. If it had some build up…even a teeny tiny bit…it would have been fine.
Janeway/Chakotay would have been good if they had pulled the trigger on it early on. But the longer the show went the less it made sense.
Janeway/Chakotay would have been good if they had pulled the trigger on it early on. But the longer the show went the less it made sense.
It could have worked if the decision had been made to take Voyager generational. Where previously, it makes sense for the captain to avoid romantic entanglements, she is suddenly encouraging her crew to pair off. It would be quite reasonable for her to lead from the front.
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