Really. Voyager's writing team made a lot of questionable decisions (and some that were just plain awful) over the show's run, but they knocked it out of the park with Seven.
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Really. Voyager's writing team made a lot of questionable decisions (and some that were just plain awful) over the show's run, but they knocked it out of the park with Seven.
For my latest controversial opinion, I still say this one could have been saved by a couple lines of dialog in Act One, with Kirk and Spock in the cave, Spock saying that the Vulcans had heard rumors of the Gorgans going back millenia, but no hard proof of their existence. Among other things, an extra couple of lines would clear up Kirk throwing that name out instead of it coming from nowhere.
I cannot stand Seven. I rarely rewatch Voyager and her introduction is part of it. Someday I will revisit Voyager but I am not eager to do so.
See, that's why I feel justified in eating meat:
At least we kill the cows first. You're eating those plants ALIVE!
At least the plants live until eaten, while the animals are usually drprived of life minutes, hours, datsm weeks, or months before.being eaten. Thus plants don't have their lives ended as early.
Of course humans don't usually eat whole plants anymore than we usually eat whole animals. And a much higher precentage of food plants survive having parts picked by humans than animals survive having some of their body parts eaten.
And it is not yet proven that plants have any sort of conssciouness or awarness.
In any case, replicator smight be centuries in the future but synthisizing food from chemicals might be developed in thenear future.
I like her better in Picard. She seems more world weary, but also more... relaxed. And she wears simple, comfortable clothes.
I'd say both Troi and Seven were mostly sexualized in the way they were dressed and positioned in shots. I can't really recall an episode at the top of my head where Troi was sexualized from a narrative standpoint. Yeah there was that scene in Man of the People where she acts like a vamp, but beyond that?
But what elevates Seven is that she was much more realized as a character and had much better episodes than Troi.
The biggest problem with Seven was that they didn't do much to advance her arc of rediscovering her humanity until very late in the show.
I think Troi was written with an underlying sensuality (left over from the Ilia character of TMP and Phase II) that was absolutely absent from Seven. There is nothing about Seven's personality or behavior that is "alluring" (at least, not by my read). T'Pol and Troi were faaaaarrrrr more sexualized than Seven. Aside from being a relatively attractive human being in a tight outfit, "sex" is the last thing on my mind when Seven is on the screen.
I also think you're forgetting several other episodes besides Man of the People where Troi was "featured." Certainly "The Price" comes to mind, and I know there were others.
Anyway, perhaps it's a controversial opinion, but I don't think Seven was a sexualized character. Again, perhaps "controversial..." but I stand by my opinion.
Not implausible that VOY would be remastered before DS9, if it were. (Had to add in that qualifier at the end of the sentence!) Seven is in Picard and Janeway is in Prodigy so, with their presence, it would make people more likely to say "I want to re-watch Voyager", which means it ought to look like as good as TNG.Comfort Trek. Wish [Voyager] get a remaster. Controversial opinion: Ahead of Deep Space Nine
I see what you mean, though i do think that Seven perhaps played into the domination fetishes some people have.
A very attractive, but cold and severe woman, "Resistance is futile!" etc.
I was thinking of the Price, and whether Troi is sexualized by the narrative in it, but in my opinion she's not, rather it's a kitschy romance story.
Ha...hadn't thought of that angle with Seven. Definitely see that with the Borg Queen...so good point.
Yeah, whatever way you slice it "The Price" is one of TNG's worst.
In some ways Kes would have been the senior member of that duo despite being less than seven years old. She'd been aboard Voyager for over three years at that point and would have had a breadth of knowledge of humanity and how to live on a starship that Seven wouldn't have a clue about other than what she'd learned about humans from the Collective. Jennifer Lien could have been something of a guide for Jeri Ryan aboard the ship since both were lost and disconnected members of their culture.
A Kes/Seven dynamic would have been awesome to see. Kes was the first one to treat the Doctor as a person, so she'd likely would have been among the first to accept Seven. I can see them developing a sisterly bond.
And yeah, as @cooleddie74 says, Kes would have been the "big sis".
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Troi, Seven, and T'Pol. The critical thing to consider is "is this character wearing a non-standard uniform just to show off more cleavage".
After my last rewatch of the season I came to the conclusion that many TOS S3 episodes had the potential to be better, if only the scripts had been through an extra draft or two.
Melvin Belli was actually the best thing about that episode, which says a lot for a script so poorly assembled that Jack Ruby's former defense attorney is the highlight of the whole production.
Well, we did get to see a creative redress of a room of the Enterprise creating the arboretum with the tables and food synthesizers. That was the coolest thing about the whole episode.
Well, we did get to see a creative redress of a room of the Enterprise creating the arboretum with the tables and food synthesizers. That was the coolest thing about the whole episode.
That was no redress, that was a whole new set they built for Season 3! It also featured in Is There In Truth No Beauty and in a deleted scene from Elaan Of Troyius.
That's right. Shows how much about Season 3 is easy to forget. Thanks for reminding me!
I didn't know that...!
They also did some new "stock" shots of the Enterprise, and I think the music was less generic during S3. There are some great soundtrack elements that are unique to S3.
Especially these soundtrack selections:
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