That was six alternate timelines, actually.
1. Non Sequitur (○●, imminent)
2. Before and After (○○)
3. Timeless (rank unknown)
4. Endgame (○○○○)
5. Online (○○○○)
6. Autobiography of Kathryn Janeway (○○○○)
"What If...?"
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That was six alternate timelines, actually.
1. Non Sequitur (○●, imminent)
2. Before and After (○○)
3. Timeless (rank unknown)
4. Endgame (○○○○)
5. Online (○○○○)
6. Autobiography of Kathryn Janeway (○○○○)
We don't know whether he ever got promoted in Timeless (though I agree it is likely he would have received a promotion along with the medal pinned to his tunic after his return to earth). 5 and 6 I do not count as canon. So that leaves 3, in which in 2 of them we actually saw him having a higher rank (i,e. Before and After and Endgame).
I expect that if it's really important to you that Harry be stuck at ensign until the heat death of the universe (or the Big Crunch if you don't believe in dark energy), you could come up with reasons to invalidate all six of those timelines.
Since the treatment of that character (and others) left a bad taste in my mouth, I'm going in the opposite direction.
I expect that if it's really important to you that Harry be stuck at ensign until the heat death of the universe (or the Big Crunch if you don't believe in dark energy), you could come up with reasons to invalidate all six of those timelines.
Since the treatment of that character (and others) left a bad taste in my mouth, I'm going in the opposite direction.
No, I don't care that much. It's only fiction after all. However, it seems really important to you and if you consistently complain about this issue, I might react to it every once in a while.
I wasn't aiming for an apology or any such thing. I just wanted to voice the opinion that in my view, it has little use to keep returning to the subject after all possible arguments have been discussed to death (which I think they have, in their own thread).
However your reaction does make me curious. How far does this 'bothered by fictional characters getting shafted' go? Does it also include, say, Jadzia's or Tasha's undeserved deaths (even if they needed to get written out of the series)?
What if the Enterprise NX-01, thrown back 117 years in E2 would have flown back to Vulcan? Of course that would still be contaminating history, but perhaps less so than flying to Earth, since the Vulcans would already be warp capable by that time.
Or try to build a larger alliance for example. I mean, they had 117 years do set up something larger than just prepairing their own ship and failing in the end.... (of course I know that ultimately it didn't matter since that time loop was erased, but still).
Or try to build a larger alliance for example. I mean, they had 117 years do set up something larger than just prepairing their own ship and failing in the end.... (of course I know that ultimately it didn't matter since that time loop was erased, but still).
If they'd gone back to Vulcan, maybe it wouldn't have been erased. Maybe the Federation would have gotten a head start... or maybe, they would have been detsined by the Vulcans and held for psychiatric evaluation. Because time travel doesn't exist.
I actually considered making this one a topic in and of itself. What would have happened if Geneviève Bujold had lasted a few weeks as Janeway, long enough for a couple of episodes to air?
* Would they have killed her off, and made Chakotay the first Native American captain?
* Would they have just said "screw it" and brought in a new Janeway without explaining?
* Would they have done some convoluted "alternative reality" plot?
* Or would they have tried to stick with Bujold?
Any thoughts?
I actually considered making this one a topic in and of itself. What would have happened if Geneviève Bujold had lasted a few weeks as Janeway, long enough for a couple of episodes to air?
* Would they have killed her off, and made Chakotay the first Native American captain?
* Would they have just said "screw it" and brought in a new Janeway without explaining?
* Would they have done some convoluted "alternative reality" plot?
* Or would they have tried to stick with Bujold?
Any thoughts?
Voyager got cancelled, and no Enterprise.
That would have been great.
If they could travel back to Vulcan, then they could have intercepted the Xindi weapon. Which would have led Starfleet to have Archer track down the alternate Enterprise.
It would make more sense if they traveled to the recently destroyed Xindus, and influence their future decisons.
Voyager got cancelled, and no Enterprise.
Or Chakotay is captain on VOY, and the captain of the NX Enterprise is a woman as a do over. Both shows last seven seasons.
They'd still have to account for the ship, from a lineage they'd never seen before, manned by almost exclusively humans, a primitive, pre-warp species that shouldn't have such a ship, yet have an intimate knowledge of the technologies involved. Abducted by the Vulcan and the Denobulan on board, perhaps? Possibly also with some technologies unknown to the quadrant and the Vulcans themselves at that time. T'Pol might also have intimate knowledge about events in Vulcan society government or military secrets, highly classified at the time, but declassified since then.
117 years would be ample enough time to track the probe and take it out, first. Starfleet might never expect. (Of course, that would lead to a temporal paradox).
They also could have traveled back to earth, advance earth's technology by about a century, send out a new and improved Enterprise out to the Delphic Expance. If needed, repeat it a few times, until they have technology advanced enough to defeat the Sphere Builders themselves handily.
Perhaps, yes. I'm not really sharp on Xindi history, and how exactly the Sphere Builders induced them to execute that plan in the first place.
Voyager got cancelled, and no Enterprise.
Also very much a possibility.
I like this one even better.
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