I was thinking the same thing. Forgetting Mysterio and the events of the last movie would solve his problem a whole lot easier.
Still, this pulled off the "everyone forgets Peter's identity" a lot better than One More Day did.
Boo! Hiss!
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Still, this pulled off the "everyone forgets Peter's identity" a lot better than One More Day did.
Boo! Hiss!
Black Cat you mean?Catwoman will be after Parker next. She’ll want that memory erasing ability.
Yeah, those thoughts have been bouncing around in my head, especially since I just rewatched Homecoming and I considering Toomes one of the MCU's best villains. While I loved getting this multiverse adventure and the consequences from it, I am sad we won't get to see a proper follow up with Toomes to explore why he didn't out Peter to Mac (or anyone else) and how he intended to get revenge.
That said, now that Simmons has returned as JJJ, there's a strong chance we might actually get Scorpion's proper origin now. Plus, this version of JJJ seems like a better fit for someone who would create a supervillain just to hunt down Spider-Man. The only difference is he may not regret it when Mac goes crazy and slips out of JJJ's control.
Damn, I love all of those ideas! I've also wanted to see Liz return and I think this would be a brilliant way to do it. Plus, your reasoning for why she would change her name (that coincidentally conforms to Felicia Hardy) makes perfect sense to me. And, as you said, the MCU is lacking in female antagonists so even more reason to go down this route.
Yeah...I can see that. But like I said, the Sinister Six moniker wouldn't work here anyways because that group is usually organized as means to take down Spider-Man and this group never had that cohesive grouping (except maybe briefly when they were all imprisoned).
Speaking of Fury...how the hell does some officer in Damage Control know that Fury is off world?! Considering how secretive Fury is, I figured the only people he would tell that to are Maria and Carol...and that's it. No way he would tell that to anyone part of Damage Control.
I mean I get why we had that line but it still stood out. Especially since it wasn't ever followed up on.
I think this all highlights that we aren't suppose to think about the mechanisms of the spell too much, just like we shouldn't think too much about the real-world implications of 50% of the population disappearing...and then reappearing five years later. The world would be in complete chaos and so would the nature of mind-wiping people of Peter on whatever level it might be.
The way I look at is that everyone remembers everything Spider-Man did, but just without the knowledge of any connection to Peter. Of course, how that works with people who knew him well on both sides of the mask while directly connected to other significant events like Happy is going to be weird. During that whole cemetery scene, I kept thinking "How exactly did Happy know May?" and "How the hell did he love May...and not know who Peter is even without knowing he's Spider-Man?"
It all falls apart pretty quickly when you look at it too closely. I'm fine with just looking at it on the surface level.
Yeah, I was wondering if, by butterfly effect, with a cured Electro whether ASM Peter managed to save Gwen.
I was referring to the Catwoman from Datk Knight Rises who wanted exactly what Parker achieved.
I’m sure Black Cat is coming. I mean, he is single again.
AH! I got you know. I forgot about Selina's pursuit of the "Clean Slate" drive in TDKRises. Very clever, mate.
I thought I had missed some recent new power Black Cat may have been given in the comics.
I was surprised they didn't give us some kind of epilogue to show how the other two Peter's and their villains are doing.
Norman is no longer mad with his Jekyll and Hyde disorder.
Octavius left MCU Earth with Stark's arc reactor. "The power of the sun in the palm of his hand", finally.
Flint Marko is cured.
Curt Conners is human again.
Max Dillion lost his powers but gained a new body and Jamie Foxx's charm and personality.
I'd want to see Maguire Peter with MJ and their daughter Mayday attending an expo for Oscorp. Norman and Otto deciding to give back to humanity with the clean renewable energy from the arc reactor and Otto's earlier design.
For Garfield Peter, I'd like to see him go to college and start building his life again. Have him meet his own MJ at orientation. Let Dr. Connors and Max write letters of recommendation for him and send him to Empire State University on a full scholarship.
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Toby Maguire's role was a lot more than a cameo, both him and Garfield were pretty much full-on supporting cast. Cameos are usually just one quick scene, and both of them were in a pretty significant chunk of the movie.
I think she's the latest bearer of the Infinity Gauntlet.
Memory can be a funny thing, and it's mildly disconcerting just how unreliable it can be (there have been studies that make one question one's whole perception of reality.) Memory also doesn't need to add up to a coherent narrative for us to continue to function . . . so long as we don't start pulling too hard at the loose threads.
The way I see it, everything that Peter did still *happened*, including every interaction. It's just that nobody remembers him. They remember Spider-Man, it's just that for those that had interactions with Peter as Spider-Man like Happy, MJ, Ned etc. if they try and think back to those events, things get rather vague and fuzzy.
The spell doesn't have to fill in any blanks or account for paradoxical inconsistencies because the human brain does that itself, all the damn time.
Case in point: at the end of the movie when Peter came to the donut shop to see them after the spell, I'm pretty sure MJ was still wearing the broken black dahlia necklace Peter gave her in London. That means not only do artefacts of his life still exist, they're all right where he left them. If one were to ask here where the necklace came from she'd probably say she got it in London. If one were to press further then she'd likely have a hard time recalling exactly how and when.
But that's not unusual. Our homes are full of things that most of us would be hard pressed to remember exactly when and where we got them. Take my desk for example. I know I've had it for years, but how many? Five? Six? Seven? Something like that, I'm not sure. I recall where I got it from (a charity that sells second hand furniture) but if someone were to ask me what year, never mind what month or day, who had served me, how much it cost or recall how I got it up the stairs I honestly couldn't say from memory alone. Some details the brain just doesn't hold onto, and that's perfectly normal.
Another example; some years ago I ran into someone I'd worked with for over a year and while speaking with them totally blanked on their name. I recognised their face, knew who they were and how I knew them, can still remember many conversations and anecdotes with them, but their name? Gone. To this day it's a total blank. Whatever group of neurons that name was connected to either no longer exists or has forever become detached from the rest of my brain. Maybe in 10 years it'll suddenly click back into place out of nowhere, but as of right now (going on a decade since I last saw them); nothing.
If that's the case, all of his records, pictures, and things like could still exist, the people who saw them just wouldn't remember who he is. So MJ or Ned could come across a picture with him, but they just would have no idea who he is, and would probably wonder why took that kind of picture with a stranger.
So I wonder what exactly happened to the redeemed/fixed villains? If they went back to the time they were taken from that means they just created a bunch of branch universes. So did they just go to the 'time' that the other Peter's were taken from and 'appear' after dying in that same universe years before?
Although for Norman that means he was 'cured' and then he appears in a universe where his son died at the hands of Peter years ago.
Although for Norman that means he was 'cured' and then he appears in a universe where his son died at the hands of Peter years ago.
The way I'm assuming that works is that the documents (physical or otherwise) all still exist, they just don't have his name, photo, or any of his details on them. They're either blank or magically redacted to the point of uselessness. So yes, hypothetically there's a bunch of blank files out there mysteriously filed between "Parker, Perry", and "Parker, Peyton", lots of weird blanks spaces in news articles, directories, yearbooks and the like. Probably the most confusing thing for MJ in particular would be the selfie of herself, taking up half the screen and she's smiling. Which is downright weird unto itself.
So yeah, from all that an especially obsessive, thorough and paranoid person may be able to reconstruct enough to deduce that someone called "Peter Parker" was erased from existence in his late teens, but since The Question is a DC character, not a Marvel one, the odds of that are slim!
Assuming the rules of time travel are still the same, they're all technically variants of the ones we saw in the movies, taken out of their universe at the moment they learned Peter was Spider-Man. It's been ages since I saw the Rami films so I don't recall exactly when that happens (and I only ever watched SM3 once when it came out on video) but in Norman's case I think that would be right after the thanksgiving scene when he notices the cut on Peter's arm. Presumably he was taken just after when the reality fully sunk in (to account for how he came through with the suit and glider) and would likely have returned to that same point in time. What point is space however is an interesting question since they all seemed to arrive more or less in the same place they were in their universe; Otto was out by the Hudson, Max was inside the power grid, Eddie was in that hotel room in Mexico etc, so it stands to reason they all either reappeared at the same time they left, but in the place they were in the MCU (Liberty Island), or where they were originally.
So Harry at least would arrive in a world where his son is still very much alive. The logistics of Otto's arrival are a little tricky since in the original version of his timeline, he came to his senses long enough to destroy his machine, but die in the process mere minutes after he left. Maybe his grip on sanity would only ever be temporary since the chip was still fried, and he was taken *after* he fell into the river, so this version of Otto should have returned to an already destroyed machine, though still in a world where Norman is already dead, and Harry is on the path to following in his footsteps. Maybe he helps Peter save Harry, or at the very least stops Clint from falling into that supercollider.
I can understand the desire, but ultimately this was the MCU Peter's story, not the story of any of the other characters. Adding codas for the villains or the other Spidermen would muddle the themes of the movie.
