UFO sightings

[ELCHawk]

Is it me or has there been more UFO sightings over the past few years? I just saw a video from Chino Hills that was very interesting. It might be advanced technology from another country which is more scary than aliens. Whatever it is, the US government is concerned.

 

[Spider]

I don't believe for a second that UFOs are aliens. But whatever they are, they should still be investigated.

 

[Unicron]

Some of them might be, but they likely are either scared away or can't find intelligent life.

 

[publiusr]

A law has been passed to allow back-engineering
https://wonderfulengineering.com/th...d-fund-reverse-engineering-of-ufo-technology/

One professor is a true-believer
https://interestingengineering.com/...-to-unlock-the-secrets-of-ufo-crash-materials
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/loca...acific-ocean-and-he-wants-to-find-it/2805992/

Documents coming?
https://interestingengineering.com/scientists-will-release-3-terabytes-of-new-ufo-data-in-2022
https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/357967/why-do-we-see-doors-pyramids-and-faces-on-mars

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/arti...ress-potential-uap-crashes-with-our-aircraft/

SETI setback
https://www.vice.com/en/article/epx...unting-data-are-at-risk-of-being-lost-forever

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Strange
https://www.unexplained-mysteries.c...blimp-l-8-still-remains-a-mystery-80-years-on
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2023...-alcoholics-anonymous/?edg-c=1&ios=1&safari=1
https://www.science.org/content/art...irth-kurt-vonnegut-more-relevant-ever-science
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local...evada-home-searched-seized-by-federal-agents/
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2022/09/01/ley-lines/?ios=1&safari=1
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/t...ng-deep-beneath-the-antarctic-ice/ar-AA14cHPa
https://www.theblackvault.com/docum...ery-published-by-jeremy-corbell-george-knapp/
https://www.the-sun.com/news/6704332/skinwalker-ranch-utah-ufo-sighting-cattle-mutilation/
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2023-03-11-show/
https://time.com/6259846/sleep-paralysis-ghosts/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...st-hominid-Native-American-nature-spirit.html
https://www.livescience.com/remains...hieroglyphic-inscriptions-discovered-in-sudan
https://www.vice.com/en/article/88x4vv/oldest-oldowan-tools-intelligent-life
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/mortified-woman-buys-portraits-discovers-29363882
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...sual-dining-habits-180981729/?utm_source=digg
https://www.livescience.com/how-big-can-animals-get

Misc
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/time-traveller-2671-reveals-dateline-29426964
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...inspired-ray-bradburythen-vanished-180981764/
https://thedebrief.org/avi-loeb-and...ving-aerial-mysteries-requires-known-physics/
https://www.unexplained-mysteries.c...lands-calvine-ufo-mystery-been-solved-at-last
https://www.space.com/mars-reconaissance-orbiter-circular-sand-dunes
https://anomalien.com/unusual-structure-discovered-by-ufologist-on-the-moon/
https://www.unexplained-mysteries.c...even-spielberg-comments-on-ufos-and-cover-ups

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I don't believe for a second that UFOs are aliens. But whatever they are, they should still be investigated.

I kind of agree with you, buuuuuuut if not aliens what could they be?

In my heart I want them to be aliens.

 

[XCV330]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimensional_hypothesis

I'm not saying I think that's what these phenomena are. I think kooks have made the subject almost impossible to discuss without looking unstable, for a long time. But clearly whatever it is has that has been seen is worth looking at. Even if it's a perception or camera error, it needs to be understood.

If a theory like Superstring is correct and there are extra dimensions beyond the ones we typically perceive, phenomena originating in "extra dimensions" like the thought experiment of a ball passing through flatland, would be difficult to impossible for us to comprehend properly.

 

[Deks]

I kind of agree with you, buuuuuuut if not aliens what could they be?

In my heart I want them to be aliens.

First off, we live in a competitive system where people are forced to 'get ahead' of each other.
Information, resource and technology sharing is not a high priority... its tightly controlled for the purpose of 'getting ahead'.

Also, people who are 'experts' in their field don't know every single bit of information in that field... at best, they may acquire 0.000001% of information in that area for the duration of their studies... and would take them literally millions of years of uninterrupted studying to catch up to what we know now in just that one field (never-mind the fact that new information in any given field is coming out every single day).

Oh and, in order to even begin identifying something unknown, you can't have 'experts' in a single field... you'd need generalists who have acquired information in several different fields - because such people can more easily 'make connections' rather than disconnected specialists.

Things to note: we had the ability to create synthetic metamaterials with adaptive properties that can be made in sustainable abundance with minimal impact to the environment a LONG time ago (since 1970-ies).

Better materials as we know can lead to far better efficiency, maneuverability, and a host of other different things that you can probably imagine.

You might be shocked to learn what was possible to create in 1970-ies using technology, resources and knowledge of that era alone when 'money' is taken out of equation and you focus on available resources, latest science and technology to get a job done.

Its also important to NOT jump to conclusions.

UFO = unidentified flying object. It does NOT mean 'aliens'.
What you 'want' to think is immaterial.

Any sufficiently advanced species capable of FTL travel would probably NOT have a need to park themselves in low orbit... they'd likely be able to get all the information they need on us from not getting anywhere close to Earth - especially if we factor in law of accelerating returns.

UFO's are likely as of yet unidentified human made objects.

 

[ELCHawk]

I am 95 percent sure they are either man made or some kind of error. 5 percent of me thinks they are aliens. If they are aliens I am 50-50 if they are friendly or not. I do believe if they are friendly there is some type of prime directive. And humanity is a long way away from being ready. It will be beyond my lifetime and I am 46.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I am 95 percent sure they are either man made or some kind of error. 5 percent of me thinks they are aliens. If they are aliens I am 50-50 if they are friendly or not. I do believe if they are friendly there is some type of prime directive. And humanity is a long way away from being ready. It will be beyond my lifetime and I am 46.

"some kind of error" that sounds interesting

 

[Tim Walker]

Of the reports that are given in good faith, I would imagine that 95% are misidentifications of mundane things, or there is too little information to make an identification.

Of the remaining reports, I would imagine a few were secret military aircraft.

The remaining cases would be true unknowns.

 

[Santaman]

I know that a lot of those infrared glowing ball UFOs turn out to be the (jet)engine exhaust of whatever aircraft was near the one making the infrared recording.
As for aliens, okay, so you imagine you stumble across this planet and see a not too smart warmongering bunch of primates with nukes what would you do? Me? I would stay the hell away from them!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Of the reports that are given in good faith, I would imagine that 95% are misidentifications of mundane things, or there is too little information to make an identification.

Of the remaining reports, I would imagine a few were secret military aircraft.

The remaining cases would be true unknowns.

I'd increase that to 99.9%

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Part of me wants to live in the more interesting version of the world where aliens are monitoring human beings, so I entertain the notion. But logically, aliens are probably too far away for it to be worth it to come here.

I truly believe there exists other intelligent life in the universe, but statistically it's probably way too far away for them to be here. And even if we are totally wrong about the light barrier and there's an easy way for them to get here ignoring time dilation, the likelihood of them sporadically revealing themselves to random human beings while being undetected by everyone else is even lower. Even the odds of the government managing to cover them up without any leaks for decades (Multiplied by the odds they happened to show up at the same time we started thinking about aliens) is extremely low.

So I guess it's not strictly impossible, but it's extremely improbable.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I think the Aliens would have their own equivalent to a "Prime Directive" and not bother dealing with us "Primitives" who can't even break the Light Speed Barrier.

There's nothing on Earth that can't be found else-where in the Galaxy on some other planet.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I think the Aliens would have their own equivalent to a "Prime Directive" and not bother dealing with us "Primitives" who can't even break the Light Speed Barrier.

There's nothing on Earth that can't be found else-where in the Galaxy on some other planet.

There's girls. They might want girls haha

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I think the Aliens would have their own equivalent to a "Prime Directive" and not bother dealing with us "Primitives" who can't even break the Light Speed Barrier.

There's nothing on Earth that can't be found else-where in the Galaxy on some other planet.

Why would you think aliens would uphold human ethical standards humans don't even live up to?

It's possible they would ignore us just because we don't have anything they want, or the benefits don't justify the cost of the trip. But if that's the case, why would they come here and only show themselves to a handful of humans?

If you're suggesting they sent teams of xenobiologists and archaeologists just to study us, again, you're projecting human ideals that humans don't live up to onto an alien culture.

If an alien makes contact with Earth, I'd put 80% odds of it basically being an alien Christopher Columbus.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Why would you think aliens would uphold human ethical standards humans don't even live up to?

Maybe those Aliens had those standards LONG before Gene Roddenberry came up with the Prime Directive?

It's possible they would ignore us just because we don't have anything they want, or the benefits don't justify the cost of the trip. But if that's the case, why would they come here and only show themselves to a handful of humans?

Why do random schmucks do random things like taking unnecessary risks.

Like this Man who survives a 120' fall off a cliff due to taking a Selfie?

There might be a few random curious Aliens who don't follow the rest of the norms of their species and do odd things like visit primitives like us humans.

If you're suggesting they sent teams of xenobiologists and archaeologists just to study us, again, you're projecting human ideals that humans don't live up to onto an alien culture.

It might not have been Xenobiologists or Archaeologitsts.

It could be random Aliens who aren't anybody special within their civilization or culture.

We have folks in our species who just like to travel, and those Aliens might have a few random members of their species who find it interesting to visit primitives.

If an alien makes contact with Earth, I'd put 80% odds of it basically being an alien Christopher Columbus.

I'd put 80% odds that they're a random average civilian Alien who comes to see the primitives for what they are and then gets bored and goes home.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Or maybe even they do visit but just can't be bothered making contact with yet another new species in the galaxy, maybe there are so many worlds that they just don't bother talking to one more along the way.

 

[BillJ]

Given the depth of time and vastness of space, and that we've only been a civilization for about 15,000 of the universes 13.8 billion years of existence, I lean against any of these sightings being from an actual alien civilization. At best, we could've an accidental visitor at some point, but we're not the nexus of the universe.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Given the depth of time and vastness of space, and that we've only been a civilization for about 15,000 of the universes 13.8 billion years of existence, I lean against any of these sightings being from an actual alien civilization. At best, we could've an accidental visitor at some point, but we're not the nexus of the universe.

I sort of agree here. Yep maybe the odd occasional visitor that is an actual alien but not for all these events. I'm not sure we'll ever get any definitive proof either way. Would be nice though to have this settled once and for all.