Sahil I think got formal commissioned rank by the time he was seen in UFP h.q. But wasn’t promoted prior to that.
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Sahil I think got formal commissioned rank by the time he was seen in UFP h.q. But wasn’t promoted prior to that.
There was also the Thermionic generators of Species 8472.
The plasma reactors used by the Tamarians.
Any sort of Tachyon based propulsion systems.
Ion based propulsion systems.
Cycle fusion engines.
And the Soliton Wave system that worked but had some side effects.
Yes. Fear will do that. Sorry to tell you. It's not logical and never will be.
They use it for something. So let's not assume, eh?
Then don't watch. At this point in time the effort to call at the writers for every "stupid" decision they make has turned in to a drinking game. Sorry, but they are not going to get better. Discovery is what it is and calling the writers stupid has yet to yield the desired changes. Perhaps yell louder?
Even in real life, it took most European countries about 5 years to economically recover from the tragedy of WWII (which shattered their economies) - that was with FAR LESS impressive technology compared to what UFP has at its disposal (even after the Burn).
Western Germany for example recovered by 1953 (8 years after the end of WW II).
In Ds9, S31 even projected that UFP would be the main interstellar power that will take far less time to recover than other major powers in the A/B quadrants.
The UFP not recovering at all (despite having the technology and resources to do so) in the decade or two (or 5 even) following the Burn was just a poor excuse for writing.
Fear would have resulted in more cautious approach to Warp travel and use of dilithium for regulating M/AM reactions, and intensified R&D into replacements which would have been rushed to be put into use if anything else.
Even a UFP with just 38 member worlds could have done all of that.
The fact it was presented as if nothing was done was just blatant nonsense... and it was insulting for Trek.
'Something' doesn't mean they use it for FQS at all.
They could be mining it for trade and pure/simple subjegation of Remans (and yes, they WOULD be that vicio
Then don't watch. At this point in time the effort to call at the writers for every "stupid" decision they make has turned in to a drinking game. Sorry, but they are not going to get better. Discovery is what it is and calling the writers stupid has yet to yield the desired changes. Perhaps yell louder?
I can (and will) point out blatant stupidity if I notice it. I did the same thing with older Trek.
And, this section of the forum is to discuss about ST: Discovery.
If you don't want to participate in the discussion, you are free not to.
Also, I do not yell... I simply pointed out the idiocy (which is exactly what it is) behind the decision to write things like that.
Disco effectively started delving into areas that stretch credibility of Trek universe to a breaking point whilst completely ignoring everything that came before (ignoring even some things from the first 2 seasons of itself).
A TOS rehash this doesn't have to be... its not the 60-ies. And the audience are not idiots.
The Thermionic generators were used on a station, but yes (plus there's no reason that much like fusion, they wouldn't exist in a smaller form which can be fitted onto a ship).. and also, VOY managed to have a truce with 8472 and were exchanging technologies by the end of that episode... and given that 7 was able to IDENTIFY thermionic generators (and that no one on VOY was surprised by this)... she and SF must have some kind of idea on how they run.
Plus, 8472 used a combination of holography and particle syntesis to generate the environment in question.
A few years before that episode, particle synthesis was described by Arturis to be 'beyond' VOY crew understanding - well, probably not so 'beyond' after the crew had a chance to see it in action on the Dauntless and after examining 8472 habitat up close and personal.
8472 bioships did use high concentration of anti-matter particles, but there was no mention of dilithium usage (In 'Scorpion' part 1) when the away team scanned the ship up close with Tricorders.
Though its possible the thermionic generator technology was newer and wasn't as of yet used on bioships.
Yes... but plasma is usually generated as a product of fusion power generation - UFP ships also run off plasma which is distributed through the ship's EPS grid - and there's also Warp plasma which is generated on SF ships - which suggests its produced by the Warp core (not fusion generators).
Unfortunately, we have no way of saying what kind of plasma generators they are (could be fusion, could be M/AM, or something else entirely... its too ambiguous so I don't think we can use this as a viable example).
Ion based propulsion seems interesting. A practical example of the technology encountered in the 23rd century by the Enterprise... but SF theorized about using it as a method of achieving Warp in 2263 (a century prior).
You'd think that with all these theories (which imply that something was actually demonstrated through experimentation that it could work), 100 years of active research and development would have yielded 'some' results'... certainly a more practical example of an engine in the 24th century that runs off a different power source.
Cycle fusion engines however were considered underpowered and obsolete from UFP science point of view.
Not sure they'd be applicable here or viable when we know that UFP had fusion for centuries and far better method.
From UFP standpoint, that ship could have had very crude Warp capability as a result - we don't know if it was viable for high Warp speeds or alternative FTL generation.
One of the most promising aspects... but Trek already established (however unfortunately) that if SF experiences a singular failure in research... it ends up not pursuing technology further... which is utterly stupid because one way you learn in science is actually by making mistakes.
If anything, UFP would have learned from that failure and then tested the next iteration of Soliton Wave Warp in a different location that was void of planets, ships, etc.
And all the research which culminated in the prototype was just what? Discarded? I doubt it - but apparently Disco would have us think this is exactly what happened.
To be fair, some aspects of that technology were used later on for communications in DS9, and some other uses if I'm not mistaken... this at least demonstrated some level of in-universe consistency and applied the technology in a different area until the drive itself could be potentially perfected (which it seems never was).
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Star Trek cannot be insulted. It is an inanimate object. It cannot be disrespected, insulted or diminished.
True but it is possible and I imagine that based upon presented information they did in some way.
I didn't say you did. Simply that perhaps if you did the writers might here you and take your comments to heart
A rehash is exactly what the audience wants.
Doesn't matter if a thing's underpowered so long as it works given the general complaint in universe was almost nobody even being able to travel places at warp.
Heck, even if the fusion powered ships could only sustain Picard level warp speeds it would have completely prevented the entire "Burn ended everything" plot point...
Correct, but I meant it in a bit different capacity. Disco kinda disrespects the work of previous writers who did manage to preserve consistency on some level.
I don't deny the Romulans didn't have a use for Dilithium... but considering what we know of the 24th century Romulan Star Empire... I doubt it was used in power generation on capital ships.
Possibly in smaller craft and predominantly for trade and as a method of subjugating the Remans... but otherwise? No.
I didn't say you did. Simply that perhaps if you did the writers might here you and take your comments to heart
I don't think yelling would acomplish much. It usually puts people off.
I wouldn't say that and multiple people on these boards would disagree with that stance. When a rehash is done, most people in my experience COMPLAIN about the fact the entertainment industry is not doing anything new with a said franchise.
No based upon what?
How so? The Discovery team is not the same as past Treks, any more than TNG writers were expected to be consistent with TOS. They do their own thing within the sandbox. That is the nature of this creation, of creating an artform and allowing multiple people to work inside the sand.
Perhaps, perhaps not. The writers need to learn after all.
Oh, they'll complain no matter what. People have been complaining (here and elsewhere) about the entertainment industry doing nothing new for decades. That has changed nothing. In my experience the customers who complain the most are the ones who will always come back even if nothing has changed and they will not buy something new even if they say they will. They'll bitch the whole time about not having what they want, but when it actually shows up it is not purchased.
Star Trek tried something new and it did not take with the audience. They stepped back, regrouped, and fell in to the tried and true, as evidenced by Season 4, Picard Season 2 and Lower Decks. It is not new that people want. They want safe, familiar, predictable, and comfortable.
You've got a point of course, but there are multiple ways the Burn could have easily been avoided.
Whatever happened to that bigger on the inside than outside technology the NX-01 encountered on a ship that seemed completely unpowered?
Discovery in S3 certainly seemed like it got a 4x bigger internal volume in that turbolift rollercoaster space (which would explain the TARDIS technology we saw the NX-01 encountered... SF could have easily shoved a plethora of advanced fusion, thermionic and tetryon reactors in that space on their ships to provide more than enough power for everything and anything).
And even without that, the UFP had plenty of exposure to advanced technology in 24th century that would have removed dilithium and m/am from common use by the mid/late 25th century entirely.
Yup.
Heck, they could have even just stuck a giant Tachyon projector on an asteroid and used it like an FTL freeway for solar sail vessels between systems.
That said... This still doesn't compare to the idiocy that is the universal ban on temporal technology which completely lacks any enforcement agency...
Banning temporal technology would make the Star Trek universe 1000% better instantly.
Okay... And how do you enforce that ban?
Me personally? enlist the help of the Q or some other being who realizes that mucking about in time is a bunch of bull
and causing more harm than good.Me personally? enlist the help of the Q or some other being who realizes that mucking about in time is a bunch of bull
The Q would likely NOT be willing to interfere in such mortal matters (I think they'd sooner laugh in UFP face). Also, the UFP used temporal technology just fine for what... at least 500 years before the Temporal Wars finally broke out?
It seems to me that RESPONSIBLE use of Temporal Technology is doable (some other less 'evolved' species wanted to abuse it though), and you can use it for things other than changing history... so, forcing a ban on the technology as a whole was a bit dumb... especially because some measures need to exist to prevent problems of temporal nature (such as anomalies) and to ensure someone else isn't meddling with time without your knowledge.
Any technology has the potential for abuse... even Warp drive... is that going to be banned as well?
Phasers and torpedoes can be abused... heck, starships can be abused.
See, the argument for technology which can be abused can go a VERY long way... same applies to genetic engineering... and we saw that SOME aspect of genetic modification WAS in fact allowed in the 24th century.
Its possible that some exceptions to use of temporal technology (much like genetic engineering) might exist as well... and likely the rules aren't as 'rigid' as we were initially led to think.
Time travel is worse. Ban it however possible.
Well... Since Q didn't send Discovery back we can safely assume that isn't a thing...Me personally? enlist the help of the Q or some other being who realizes that mucking about in time is a bunch of bull
That's the thing... It's not possible to ban it...
Because the only way to enforce a ban on temporal technology... Is by using Temporal Technology...
Ban it in Star Trek. No more. No writers are allowed to use it. I don't care about the technical way it's done. Organians, Guardian of Forever, evolved superbeings, do not care.
Did it? Remember when Next Gen started, Data was the "only Android known to Starfleet" and fans screamed, "what about TOS?"
Or when DS9 started, and Odo was the "only shapeshifter" and fans screamed, "what about TOS and TNG?"
Or when Voyager was on and Seven of Nine was the "only Borg to ever ever regain her individuality" and fans screamed, "what about TNG?"
Or did all that pass you by?
Aside from all that, Disco totally disrespects what came before it and is by extension Abomination.
In about ten years, I'll be on hand to claim the Trek series of that day is disrespecting Disco and is by extension Abomination. This is the way.