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[Warped9]

Oh I dunno. I think you guys are being a little too hard on these things. They’re fan productions. I don’t take them too seriously and try to sit back and enjoy the ones I’ve seen. It’s a different experience, but then so is every professional Trek series, especially the animated ones. Still some good stuff to enjoy there.

Given the general production value of STC the writing was the weak point. And I don’t think it could have been that hard to have had somebody give the scripts a more objective going over.

There is also the issue of the writing and some of the stories feeling more TNG like than TOS. Make no mistake, though, there are some episodes I loved the hell out of because I felt they could easily have been actual stories TOS could have made back in the day (minus the obvious fan service).

 

[Pauln6]

Given the general production value of STC the writing was the weak point. And I don’t think it could have been that hard to have had somebody give the scripts a more objective going over.

There is also the issue of the writing and some of the stories feeling more TNG like than TOS. Make no mistake, though, there are some episodes I loved the hell out of because I felt they could easily have been actual stories TOS could have made back in the day (minus the obvious fan service).

I actually think the writing was generally great but I agree that they have a stronger TNG than TOS vibe. That is partly because choreographing action scenes in the style of TOS on a budget without multiple cameras and stunt performers must have been a bit beyond them.

 

[Warped9]

I actually think the writing was generally great but I agree that they have a stronger TNG than TOS vibe. That is partly because choreographing action scenes in the style of TOS on a budget without multiple cameras and stunt performers must have been a bit beyond them.

Overall I thought they did an exceptional job of recreating the TOS look. I found the writing more TNG like particularly they way they dealt with Kirk. “The White Iris” was pure TNG for a story more suited for Picard than Kirk. It just didn’t work in anyway whatsoever for me as a TOS episode.

 

[Maurice]

Oh I dunno. I think you guys are being a little too hard on these things. They’re fan productions. I don’t take them too seriously and try to sit back and enjoy the ones I’ve seen. It’s a different experience, but then so is every professional Trek series, especially the animated ones. Still some good stuff to enjoy there.

I'm not hard on them as fanfilms, but when people start treating them as if they're as good as any of the pro productions, I gotta say, "no".

W9 is correct about not just Continues but most fan prods that have claimed they'd be picking up where TOS left off and yet get tangled up in connecting the dots instead of allowing themselves to actually have the freedom of a wide open frontier with only the past to guide them and no need to make it consistent with what came after.

 

[Warped9]

I'm not hard on them as fanfilms, but when people start treating them as if they're as good as any of the pro productions, I gotta say, "no".

W9 is correct about not just Continues but most fan prods that have claimed they'd be picking up where TOS left off and yet get tangled up in connecting the dots instead of allowing themselves to actually have the freedom of a wide open frontier with only the past to guide them and no need to make it consistent with what came after.

It makes one wonder what cries of foul would issue should a fan film deliberately contradict what came later. Hell I do it all the time with my pre TOS ship designs that deliberately ignore everything thats been seen in post TOS productions.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It makes one wonder what cries of foul would issue should a fan film deliberately contradict what came later. Hell I do it all the time with my pre TOS ship designs that deliberately ignore everything thats been seen in post TOS productions.

I would encourage them to do so.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

That's why I prefer Starship Exeter... as it sticks to its premise as being a show that would've been made in 1969.

 

[Arpy]

It makes one wonder what cries of foul would issue should a fan film deliberately contradict what came later. Hell I do it all the time with my pre TOS ship designs that deliberately ignore everything thats been seen in post TOS productions.

Those sound like interesting designs. Do you have them online somewhere to see?

 

[Arpy]

That's why I prefer Starship Exeter... as it sticks to its premise as being a show that would've been made in 1969.

Which Exeter episodes would you suggest to a judgy fan?

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Which Exeter episodes would you suggest to a judgy fan?

"The Tressaurian Intersection"

 

[Warped9]

Those sound like interesting designs. Do you have them online somewhere to see?

Go to the Fan Art forum on this site.

Try this:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/unseen-tos.307165/
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/tas-made-real.302238/
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/pre-tos-starships.275474/

 

[CorporalCaptain]

That's why I prefer Starship Exeter... as it sticks to its premise as being a show that would've been made in 1969.

Another exceptionally good thing about it is that, at least as far as "The Tressaurian Intersection" goes*, it does not play connect the dots with canon. It goes off completely in its own direction. The connections to TOS in terms of shared alien species, named places, family names, and named starships are entirely nominal and have no bearing on the story that unfolds. Most importantly, no reciprocal connection back to TOS is intended. These are the adventures of another starship and another crew, off doing their own thing and saving the galaxy in their own unique way, completely independently of the Enterprise.

* - It's been too many years since I've seen "The Savage Empire" to comment on it, but FWIW I have no memory of any dots getting connected.

 

[STEPhon IT]

"The Savage Empire" was more in line of connecting the dots with "The Undiscovered Country", but what I thought was interesting was their take on the alien Communications officer, B'fuselek, was not the center of attention. The ingredients were there to make something special after that first outing, I was fascinated to learn TTI happened because of a falling out from a work in progress script titled "The Mighty Galvanaut" and was hijacked by James Cawley to start his fanfilm production.

 

[Maurice]

On Exeter we were told the only sequel they consider having actually happened was TMP (don’t recall how they felt about the animated show). I think they backed off the connect-the-dots thing after the NV debacle, and seeing how slavish those were to that, I’d agree it was a wise call.

And for the record it was Jack Marshal who took the “Galvanaut” story to Cawley.

 

[Arpy]

I watched “The Treasaurian Intersection.” It wasn’t bad! I ‘liked’ the video. But it was from 7 years ago. I guess they didn’t do more after that?

What are some of the better fan films people have enjoyed?

Cool use of the Tholians and their unusual techs here. Interesting new baddies in the Tressaurians, Gorn offshoots — I mean, if the Vulcans have offshoots… It was a little too militaristic (I always wonder what they’re overcompensating for)…and what do you need a Constitution Class Starship if you’re just patrolling the border(?)…that’s what scouts or frigates are for…but pretty well done overall. Nice diverse set of personalities/demographics among the main characters.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I enjoyed TTI, a lot. The other Trek fanfilms I'd seen were meh IMO, TTI was the only fanfilm where it didn't take me out of the episode; fan service was subtle and kept focus on the plot and the story it wanted to tell. Sad, Exeter Studios couldn't get the kind of funding Cawley and STC had because I believe they could've made more quality films which could've been talked and appreciated for years to come.

 

[Maurice]

TTI was finally finished 7 years ago, after nearly a decade in post.

Also for the record, Exeter Studios never went out for the kind of funding some other fanfilms did. They took donations, but never did a Kickstarter or the like. Plus, the issue wasn't so much money than time to work on the things.

 

[Kor]

I thought Chang in "The Savage Empire" was implied to be the same character as Chang in TUC. Though Chang in TSE loses his right eye, while Chang in TUC has the patch over his left eye.

Kor

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I thought Chang in "The Savage Empire" was implied to be the same character as Chang in TUC. Though Chang in TSE loses his right eye, while Chang in TUC has the patch over his left eye.

Kor

Even if he was the same character, and I'm not saying he wasn't, the question of connecting the dots would be, for example, does "The Savage Empire" provide backstory specifically intended to support or flesh out the events depicted in The Undiscovered Country, if that's clear enough?

The starship is the very same one that appeared in "The Omega Glory," but I can't recall a single detail that was intended to circle back and have any bearing on the story of Captain Tracey or of Omega IV.

Of course, I may have simply forgotten. The point is, name dropping is one thing. "Explaining" canon is something else.

But I kinda see what you're saying about the eye. It could qualify as the origin story of the eye patch, a minor connecting of dots, except that it's the wrong eye (assuming that's correct).

 

[Warped9]

As far as we know the Exeter as found in “The Omega Glory” was still intact and operational. Once decontaminated there would no reason not to reman her and put her back into operational service. Thats all we need to assume without any further explanation to have subsequent stories told of her adventures.

One wonders if the Excalibur after “The Ultimate Computer” was salvageable.

The last remaining question is if Starfleet personnel are given to superstition regarding serving aboard a ship where the entire previous crew perished.