Also I don't like that the 32nd century uniform has told many carry overs from the 23rd one. Rank on badges, cuff rank, lopsided cut. At least they didn't do yellow for command
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x02 - "Anomaly"
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A 7 for me and it is good to be caught up with everyone else.
I like feeling feelings but it felt a bit too much for me this week.
I feel like I have missed why they are trying to resurrect Gray. I don't know why they are doing it.
If they are bringing Them back why not bring back other Trill, or stored Katra's.
The new holo technology is sort of cool but you would think no-one needs to ever go on an away mission again.
I like feeling feelings but it felt a bit too much for me this week.
I feel like I have missed why they are trying to resurrect Gray. I don't know why they are doing it.
If they are bringing Them back why not bring back other Trill, or stored Katra's.
The new holo technology is sort of cool but you would think no-one needs to ever go on an away mission again.
Basically Grey is alive inside Adira for *unexplained reasons*, the other hosts are just memories that can act as if they were alive only under certain circumstances.
*Somehow* the holodeck on Su’kal ship detected him and gave him a body, proving he was not a figment of Adria’s imagination.
Now they plan to transfer him in an android body with *unexplained means* but can’t or won’t him have a holographic body in the meantime for *unexplained reasons*.
*Somehow* the holodeck on Su’kal ship detected him and gave him a body, proving he was not a figment of Adria’s imagination.
Now they plan to transfer him in an android body with *unexplained means* but can’t or won’t him have a holographic body in the meantime for *unexplained reasons*.
I must go back and rewatch the end of last year. I don't remember any of this.
It's something flimsy got to do with Adira and Grey being closer than normal hosts.
Memory is just chemicals in the brain so maybe by the 32nd century we can isolate and remove them.
I like the characters but really have little interest in the space ghost or synth story. Hopefully once she is in the body it can just forgotten about like Rikers telepathy or Burnham being kinda Vulcan
I was really disappointed in the return of Saru and him becoming the first officer. In season one, he was upset with Burnham because her actions had deprived him of the chance to learn from Georgiou. Since then, he had grown into a leader and a strong commander. Now he is willing to throw that away to be her number one and they are close friends again when that really didn't translate through the first three seasons. It would have been a better choice to bring him back because of his science background to assist in identifying whatever this anomaly is, but have him on the fence about returning to Discovery.
On the flip side, the characterization of Tilly is continuing positively. With her promotion, you can see the weight of leadership and being responsible for people like Adira on her shoulders in addition to what happened on the station.
There was some weird blocking in that Tilly ran all the way to the bridge to report that they were going to get flung in the air in two seconds, only to return back to the engine room two seconds later. Was the comm down?
The star of the episode is David Ajala. This was one of the strongest acting jobs I have seen on Trek.
The private channel bubble ("the cone of silence"). What a silly piece of technology. I can't think of a practical use for it outside of this very specific moment.
I haven't scrolled the entire thread, but did the last shots give anyone else serious V'Ger vibes?
On the flip side, the characterization of Tilly is continuing positively. With her promotion, you can see the weight of leadership and being responsible for people like Adira on her shoulders in addition to what happened on the station.
There was some weird blocking in that Tilly ran all the way to the bridge to report that they were going to get flung in the air in two seconds, only to return back to the engine room two seconds later. Was the comm down?
The star of the episode is David Ajala. This was one of the strongest acting jobs I have seen on Trek.
The private channel bubble ("the cone of silence"). What a silly piece of technology. I can't think of a practical use for it outside of this very specific moment.
I haven't scrolled the entire thread, but did the last shots give anyone else serious V'Ger vibes?
You know I'm sure they won't bother with this aspect of it; but remember that when Picard's cmonsciousness was transferred oh, his actual body was dying or dead. In a sense they made a copy of his consciousness and put it into an Android body. Now per dialogue there's been no real advancement in that technology because it was considered a dead end. The situation here is that there is a living consciousness Adria’s body/mind. I fail to see how that consciousness existing in the mind would simply disappear because a copy of it is put into a semi living Android body.
But again we're talking Trek by the Numbers here, so I'm certain that once the Consciousness is transferred to the body oh, it will magically disappear from Abita's mind, no muss no fuss.
The whole holodeck thing was ridiculous. It made absolutely no sense and is a prime example of lazy writing. The writers were clearly struggling finding things for him to do for the rest of S3 and making him visible to everyone in the holodeck was a way to throw him a few more lines of dialogue and get some emotional beats in between Gray and Culber. Making him visible in the holodeck was clearly not part of a larger story arc, it was (frustratingly) done to meet the needs of the moment and should probably just be forgotten.
Yeah, the shakeup from the Burn is appreciated giving a new purpose/obstacle for the Federation and keeping Discovery relevant, but it could have been achieved in ways that were no so silly scientifically and with less handwaving about propulsion technology (the writers seemed to write themselves into a logical corner with dilithium being just in severe shortage).
I didn't mean that the show would have to cover politics explicitly, and certainly not 21st century politics, but just that they could have focused on the managerial/logistical/human-centric challenges of rebuilding the Federation and referenced the West Wing as a show that focused on "big picture"/ethical problems, wasn't ponderous or boring, and was highly regarded.
Yeah, this whole storyline has been way underdeveloped. I don't believe there has been a scene where they actually investigate/discuss/explain that Gray is actually a separate entity that can be "incorporated". It has just been assumed since that holodeck created a version of him. Based on the on-screen evidence Gray could still be just a set of memories in Tal, but they are proceeding as if that were not the case. Just poorly developed.
I have liked Saru in any mode he has been in, whether he was pro- or anti-Burnham, probably because Jones is such a great actor and because the writers generally do well with his dialog. But I have been disappointed when they have rounded off a few of his more interesting corners: his lack of courage, his sarcasm (somewhat), his feeling disappointed/betrayed by Burnham. I wish they would have kept some of those.
Overall the show is a little too quick with having characters get back to "standard" positions (got to get Saru back on the ship) or get over previously very significant issues: Saru vs Burnham, Stamets vs Burnham, Stamets vs Tyler. They are always needing to get on with the next big thing.
I am really disappointed that Adira's symbiont doesn't seem to warrant any discussion at all any longer. They made a big deal about it early on in Season 3, and now she might as well be a normal human aside from hosting Grey's force ghost.
We do know from DS9 that it's possible for hosts to talk with previous hosts as if they were still alive - or even to transfer them temporarily to other people (Curzon spent a lot of time in Odo) so the whole "consciousness transference" thing doesn't bother me. They're just not doing anything interesting with either Grey or Adira as characters any longer, which is the disappointing thing.
Burnham randomly shouts at the ceiling: Q, where is the anomaly?!
Q (archive voice footage from TNG series finale): Where's your mommy? Well I don't know.
Discovery crew looks around in confusion.
Burnham: If you guys did your required 32nd century catchup reading you wouldn't be confused about what I just tried.
Q (archive voice footage from TNG series finale): Where's your mommy? Well I don't know.
Discovery crew looks around in confusion.
Burnham: If you guys did your required 32nd century catchup reading you wouldn't be confused about what I just tried.
The practical use IS this kind of moment: the captain (or, presumably, any other officer) doesn’t need to retreat in their ready room to communicate in private anymore, they can do it in the bridge. It’s a simple, quite obvious, technological advancement, not a big deal but a logical one.
And yes, Babylon V did it thirty years ago.
I think they see it as a transfer, not a copy.
can’t argue with this: the whole adira/gray story is a mess of badly written, half baked ideas. And I say this as someone who likes adira a lot and liked the scenes they had with grey in s4.
They called it a transfer. Picard's consciousness was moved from his old body to the new one, it wasn't copied.
Yeah, that tech strikes me as completely reasonable and logical outgrowth, rather than the captain having to go "Excuse me, private meeting" and leaving the bridge.
Doesn't matter what they called it or what they believe. I say that because Data's consciousness in that system wasn't his original one as his actual body with the original consciousness what is destroyed by the ending events of the film Star Trek Nemesis. That consciousness was what Data had copied earlier in the film to the Android B4. It's the same situation with Picard in that his actual body died and was buried. The consciousness still existed within it it was just copied to the Android just before the actual body of Picard died.
And even if you look at the TNG episode you're referencing TNG S2 The Schizoid Man, it's pretty much shown that what Dr. Graves did was just copy his consciousness just prior to his death, and as his assistant noted, it wasn't a true/good copy of said consciousness.
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in fact it’s the only thing that matters.
Dis they say they used the graves technique?
I think in regards to Gray who's already technically dead, it doesn't really matter.
I would imagine it is a Soong method, which is likely very brilliant and nearly impossible to recreate.
It's great to see her now that her character has the right amount of responsibility. LT is probably the best place her character has been so far.
It's also hard to look at Grey and not see that stupid giant astroid slowly list towards the ship
Brent looked a little chubby behind the make up but that's harsh
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