Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x01 - "Kobayashi Maru"

[KirkusOveractus]

The President's pretty shrewd though. Punishing Burnham after her triumphant reversal of the Burn and cinematic showdown with Osyraa would be bad PR for the Federation. So she can't relieve Burnham of command. Yet. Or even reassign her to a non spore drive ship. BUT, the specs for the spore drive have now been duplicated and Burnham and her ship are no longer special, thus protecting the Federation if she does indeed get herself and her crew killed on some foolish idealistic crusade.

Very good point! Given that the refit Voyager and upcoming ships (hopefully a new Enterprise, maybe have mention of the Star Trek Online's Kirk Class) will be the most advanced of the line, Discovery will no longer be this special vessel* and will eventually be just one of the fleet.

*Then again, it probably will always have to be special, because Burnham.

 

[nic3636]

Very good point! Given that the refit Voyager and upcoming ships (hopefully a new Enterprise, maybe have mention of the Star Trek Online's Kirk Class) will be the most advanced of the line, Discovery will no longer be this special vessel* and will eventually be just one of the fleet.

*Then again, it probably will always have to be special, because Burnham.

This will take care of itself when Burnham is promoted to fleet admiral next episode.

 

[F. King Daniel]

This will take care of itself when Burnham is promoted to fleet admiral next episode.

Fleet Admiral? They just introduced a Federation President she doesn't get along with.

The seeds are planted...

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Right? Was the whole point of the episode that Burnham just hasn't learned the lessons that she needs to? Or is it that she's above those lessons?

I think the point was that Burnham is growing into her role and that being a Captain brings with it a different perspective towards responsibility. Sometimes lessons take a few tries to learn. Burnham has a lot of strengths, but losing people she cares about is something she still struggles with and something she has to work through to be a strong Captain.


Burnham would have responded much differently to the advice the President gave her, if it had come from Vance or Saru. It's not that Burnham isn't open to criticism, but that Burnham was being criticised by a civilian politician that she didn't trust, who had spent less than a day on the ship and seemed to have made no effort to get to know Burnham.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

He was a HIUGE part of the AXANAR fan film debacle (...)

but yeah, because RMB was involved with a small Trek fandom related film "Free Enterprise" - and his past involvement with the continuing Fan Film disaster (and total ripoff for money) that is AXANAR - yes, somehow he feels he's as "Expert of True Star Trek™"

Thx for the info! I must have confused his name with someone else's involved with official Trek, I'm sure I've never watched a fan film.

But good to know!

@Sci Oops, that was an innocent f***-up. I do know better. Will fix it.

 

[Aragorn]

Another cringe inducing episode of Discovery in the books.

If it hasn't gotten by now, it never will.

This show is incredibly cheap.

So which angry YouTuber who hates a show in advance, watches it, and then afterward gets mad that you hate it are you?

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Fleet Admiral? They just introduced a Federation President she doesn't get along with.

The seeds are planted...

Michael would be too modest to run, plus the DISCO is her home, but the Federation citizens will riot in the streets of all Ufp planets until she graciously accepts.

 

[plynch]

Someone upthread who described the opening scene as like from a buddy movie: yes! Starfleet used to be fairly serious professionals on the job, and now — as someone else mentioned, they are all chummy and quippy like a Marvel movie. Wasn’t there an “I love you guys” group hug near the end of last season?

I’m gonna stop ringing in here. The same things bug me and it serves no purpose.

 

[fireproof78]

But also, Kirk's lesson was to be learned from falsifying a log entry as well as violating the Prime Directive, in the name of trying to save everyone.

And putting people in danger, and not willing to lose. He had to face death in order to learn that lesson.

Burnham wants to be the center of everything for the sake of being the center of everything. I don't see any other reason why she's doing the things she's been doing.

Because of anxiety. That's why.

Someone upthread who described the opening scene as like from a buddy movie: yes! Starfleet used to be fairly serious professionals on the job, and now — as someone else mentioned, they are all chummy and quippy like a Marvel movie. Wasn’t there an “I love you guys” group hug near the end of last season?

I’m gonna stop ringing in here. The same things bug me and it serves no purpose.

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[Aragorn]

Was it someone in this thread who thought Discovery pays tribute to Voyager and Enterprise because they're standing up for these much-maligned shows to say they're Star Trek too?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Did Spock actually create the Kobayashi Maru test in ST09? Obviously he administered it, but was there any line establishing that he was the creator of the test concept?

Yes. He was stated to have "programmed" the simulation and the test supervisor asked him "How did he beat your test?" That was the reason he was called to testify at Kirk's hearing and to explain the reasoning behind it being a no-win scenario.

 

[Commander Troi]

You all have been busy! I'm meeting my trainer in 30-ish minutes, so a few quick thoughts and more catching up later.

I loved it. I think it was a very strong season opener. The opening was *fun* - which I think was needed. "Butterfly people"!

The Kaminar scenes were lovely, both visually and emotionally. It was great to see how far Saru's people have come since he left.

Poor Book! I didn't see that ending coming AT ALL. Maybe I should have with the crazy beautiful ceremony for Book's nephew. How many cultures have a *real* Tree of Life? Beautifully filmed.

I was very happy at the various promotions and also enjoyed the back-and-forth between Owosekun and Detmer. I like the friendship that's been developing there. I also thought it was nice that Vance got to have his family with him for the first time in who-knows-how-long.

I hate each and every one of you in the most jealous way possible.

I am truly sorry for you and everyone else impacted by The Stupid.

Was that a tribble?!

I had the same question! We did the 10-second "rewind" to check and it sure looked like one. Maybe they've gotten birth control since TOS.

Just thought, with all this talk of the Voyager needing a captain, wonder if that might be the perfect spot for Saru.

Ooh! Interesting idea!

I loved all the shoutouts and the space station (and her ships) look AWESOME.

The rescue at the other space station was *terrific*. Again, I love the visuals, especially with the gravity problems. Rough ending there though, especially (I'm thinking) for Tilly.

The new President is *very* interesting! Hubby and I were nodding our heads at her assessment of Burnham, BUT... I realized Michael is also rather Kirk-like in many ways and will not always be on the "good side" of higher ups. Even though the reasons may be different, both hate to lose and will do whatever they can not to do so, especially not to lose lives.

More later after I read all your posts!

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

Hubby and I were nodding our heads at her assessment of Burnham, BUT... I realized Michael is also rather Kirk-like in many ways and will not always be on the "good side" of higher ups. Even though the reasons may be different, both hate to lose and will do whatever they can not to do so, especially not to lose lives.

‪‪I had a similar thought while watching that scene as well. ‪‪Seeing Michael in the Captain’s chair made me see a lot of Kirk and Picard in her, with many of the great qualities the two men possess, but also sharing aspects of her personality with them that impeded each of them at different times.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Trying to kill Michael and Book was absolutely not reasonable.

Every Species definition of Reasonable is different.

To them, attempting to kill Michael & Book might be reasonable from their perspective.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Ask the Muppet-verse...

Or the Star Wars-verse. Right Grogu?

uh-oh...

Double uh-oh. Not a good word to direct at a woman or a person of African descent

 

[Lakenheath 72]

On the creature seen in the hallway, I have read an article from Giant Freakin Robot that it was a young Horta. YMMV

Star Trek Has Finally Allowed Hortas To Join Starfleet (giantfreakinrobot.com)

 

[fireproof78]

I find that hard to believe. I'll be curious though because the Horta is one of the best species in Star Trek.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You're hitting the nail on the head here. Captain America is a man with superhuman abilities who can take a lot more punishment than standard humans. Taking that into account it's kinda more plausible for such a character to be quippy when they have less life threatening consequences compared to that of a normal human being.

Everyone in the MCU is quippy from the Space god to the guy who shoots arrows. Quippy is fun. TOS was quippy and fun.

Did Spock actually create the Kobayashi Maru test in ST09? Obviously he administered it, but was there any line establishing that he was the creator of the test concept?

Pretty sure he said he programmed it.

This show is incredibly cheap.

Cheap???? Looks pretty expensive to me.

Someone upthread who described the opening scene as like from a buddy movie: yes! Starfleet used to be fairly serious professionals on the job, and now — as someone else mentioned, they are all chummy and quippy like a Marvel movie. Wasn’t there an “I love you guys” group hug near the end of last season?

I’m gonna stop ringing in here. The same things bug me and it serves no purpose.

TOS was very buddy oriented, with Spock, Kirk and McCoy exchanging quips and quite chummy.

On the creature seen in the hallway, I have read an article from Giant Freakin Robot that it was a young Horta. YMMV

Star Trek Has Finally Allowed Hortas To Join Starfleet (giantfreakinrobot.com)

Lost me at "Giant Freaking Robot".

 

[NCC-73515]

On the creature seen in the hallway, I have read an article from Giant Freakin Robot that it was a young Horta. YMMV

Star Trek Has Finally Allowed Hortas To Join Starfleet (giantfreakinrobot.com)

That would make sense, cause it didn't quite look like a tribble. Horta's coming back!

 

[Sci]

Yes. He was stated to have "programmed" the simulation and the test supervisor asked him "How did he beat your test?" That was the reason he was called to testify at Kirk's hearing and to explain the reasoning behind it being a no-win scenario.

Okay, but did he program it in the sense of, no version of the Kobayashi Maru test existed before him, or did he program it in the sense of, he programmed version 10.17.2?

On the creature seen in the hallway, I have read an article from Giant Freakin Robot that it was a young Horta. YMMV

Star Trek Has Finally Allowed Hortas To Join Starfleet (giantfreakinrobot.com)

But then why did they use a tribble-squeal sound effect, and why was it so hairy?

I just assumed that this was some new variety of tribble that was larger and no longer bred out of control that someone on the crew was keeping as a pet.

I would love to see a Horta Starfleet officer though!