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Spoilers Coda: Book 2: The Ashes of Tomorrow by James Swallow Review Thread

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Although it continues the characters and settings, I wouldn't consider the novelverse to be Rick Berman-style Trek. The novels do things he'd never have approved of.
Totally get what you’re saying and I agree that themes and formats are definitely contra-Berman, but at the same time, I can’t help but see this as a wrapping up of a version of a straight line from Encounter at Farpoint to Coda, and the Devidiams don’t scratch that epic villain itch that I would want from such a thing. I understand the argument that “Star Trek isn’t about Villains!”, but I dunno, sometimes it is.
 
Is the problem some of the posters are having with the finale having to do with the format change in the book size?

What I mean is that with the gallery sized books the page count is less and the font size bigger than say, the 'Destiny' trilogy.

Are events and characters are being rushed through instead of giving a chance to breathe because of this?

If this were the old size format would some of these sequences/characters be expanded upon?

The trade paperbacks are longer than the MMPBs as a rule.
 
Just finished the audiobook, and my only issue is Odo, I am not sure if I missed a DS9 novel but when did he come back from running the Dominion?
 
Odo returned to the Alpha Quadrant in the Typhon Pact novel Raise the Dawn and was trapped there when the wormhole closed in that novel. He chose not to return after the wormhole reopened.
 
Odo returned to the Alpha Quadrant in the Typhon Pact novel Raise the Dawn and was trapped there when the wormhole closed in that novel. He chose not to return after the wormhole reopened.

Now I can’t remember all the details, but I know there wasmore to it than that. I remember him waiting on the Robinson to return him to the Gamma Quadrant, but I know he wasn’t onboard in Original Sin.
 
I’m just going by Memory Beta; the only post-time jump DS9 relaunch novels I’ve read are Revelation and Dust and a couple of Una McCormack’s books. So I’m sure there is indeed more to it than that.
 
So having thought a bit more about this - I still return to the same point - why is the end of the Universe so boring?

If you are going to end the Universe you can do some wild stuff - where is it?
 
Odo returned to the Alpha Quadrant in the Typhon Pact novel Raise the Dawn and was trapped there when the wormhole closed in that novel. He chose not to return after the wormhole reopened.

Yes, he initially declines an offer of being returned to The Dominion via slipstream, then eventually decides to go back when it doesn't look like Kira is ever likely to return, but then, she does return, just before he's about to go back.
 
So having thought a bit more about this - I still return to the same point - why is the end of the Universe so boring?

If you are going to end the Universe you can do some wild stuff - where is it?

There's a level of suspension of disbelief required with any universe-ending threat. Doctor Who has seriously demystified and downscaled the Time War the more and more the licensed tie-ins have explored it; "all of time and space were burning" now feels like a small squabble in a couple of solar systems, maybe a single galaxy at most. It's really quite improbable that everything Thanos needed to kill half of all life in the universe in the MCU happened to be on or near Earth in the present time. The same applies for any comic book universal crossover crisis, really. Earth is an insignificant blue dot in an unfashionable arm of a spiral galaxy, which I think is something Douglas Adams said (or close to it). Realistically, it's not going to be at the center of cosmic crises.

Here, in Coda, the Devidians seem like a really small-scale, localized threat to the the universe as a whole. There are galaxies on the far side of Laniakea that are getting snuffed out because of the Devidians. When you stop to contemplate the scale of the universe, it's just as likely that something on the far side of Laniakea, or even one of the more distant superclusters, places little more than bare pinpricks of light from our vantage point, could collapse the universe -- and our 24th-century heroes would be completely powerless to stop it and would never, ever know.

Plus, you need a threat the characters can actually do something about. Picard and Wesley fighting the Big Rip would be absolutely wild, but there's nothing they could actually do to stop the universe from tearing itself apart and discorporating into nothingness.

So when Wesley says, "This will result in the end of everything if we don't stop it," you just have to accept it and go.
 
The issue isn't really suspension of disbelief; I think we can all accept for the sake of the story that a threat to the very multiverse just happens to have emerged right where and when the litverse takes place. The issue is, why does a threat to the very multiverse feel so run-of-the-mill? Why is so much of the trilogy given over to shipboard and space battles that aren't that different from any other Star Trek? Why are the effects of the crisis so minimal that those clowns in Starfleet Command (what a bunch of clowns) can brush it aside with a promise of preliminary committees to discuss investigating the threat? Why, if the idea was to take the litverse out with a bang, has there been so much wheel-spinning? Even some of the dramatic story beats (Riker compromised! DS9 destroyed! The wormhole closed!) are things the litverse has already done.

When the Gorkon showed up I thought, finally we're going to see the rest of the continuity begin to get drawn into the story, with lots of little cameos as the crisis widens. And, nope, that was a one-off and instead it become a canon characters affair. (The one thing Moments Asunder has over this book is that it least used litverse regulars, if only to kill them off.) There's a difference between stakes and scope. The stakes of Coda couldn't be higher, but the scope is nowhere near that of, say, Destiny, which makes you feel like the whole litverse is involved. The decision to play the going-against-orders card feeds directly into this; if Starfleet were taking the crisis seriously, you could show the rest of the litverse reacting to it. Instead we get isolated stuff like the Gorkon and the Relativity (and presumably the Mirror Universe in book three) but nothing to match the apocalyptic scale of the threat.
 
I thought this was a much better book than the first part, but I also think Dayton's breathless recitation of carnage last time had a negative effect on this part - it inured me to the losses we sustained here. Every time we jumped to a different character, I thought "OK, I guess we're losing [x] here." Sometimes it didn't happen, but the fact that I was expecting it made me sad on a level beyond the story. At least they were given a bit more space to breathe (as it were) this time.

Like others, I feel that Riker has been especially hard done-by here - the idea of being crushed under the psychological weight of destroyed echoes of alternative versions is interesting, but why is it only really him? I remember a Riker who, in the face of all-out destruction in Destiny, sought to continue to explore and seek hope in the impossible. I'm sorry that's not the Riker we get here.

There were some interesting nuggets I latched onto: the mention of the DTI's potential plan to rewrite the timeline, the description of the Devidians at the end as basically husks with no apparent drive (which seems a bit odd compared to how they were depicted in the first part as entirely malevolent), the idea that the Orb of Time might have a role to play (unless it was there solely to indicate the loss of the Prophets?). The little nods to DIS, LD, and even to STO.

But I remain of the view, as mentioned again here by The Wormhole, that so far this does not feel like a better ending that the SWEU. Extinction is not closure any more than simply ignoring it and moving on is. James talks about "carrying light through the darkness", but I can't see that light in the story we've had up till now. I didn't have that feeling with Destiny; maybe it's because I know there is no going forward from here. I still don't see any hope either, especially considering all of the snippets that David Mack has been posting on Twitter for the next part.
 
Folks, I waited until a day after finishing the second book to read this thread. First, a quick question . . . I clearly missed the one sentence that referenced the Andorian transporter duplicates. I've got the TP. On what page is this reference? And thank you in advance for the answer.

After reading each installment of Coda, I listened to the great interviews of Dayton Ward and James Swallow on both Positively Trek and Literary Treks (Dan and Bruce and Matt--you guys are great) and read the interviews of both authors on TrekCore. I wanted to better understand what both authors had in mind, and those interviews provided much-appreciated context in which I could and can examine my reactions to both books.

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of those who've posted reactions in both this thread and the one devoted to Moments Asunder because you've provided me what I believe is a better understanding of why I have been somewhat disappointed in both novels--something I've struggled to define and describe--while at the same time enjoying the ride (and enjoying that there is even a ride to enjoy). I don't know what I expected from Coda . . . and I agree with many of you whose stance is to wait until reading the final book before rendering a final decision about the experience. It ain't over till it's over.

(My hypothesis at this point in time is that our coda will end with our version of the prime timeline/the lit-verse collapsing and another timeline--ultimately, the one revealed in Star Trek: Picard--becoming the prime timeline post 2379/"Star Trek: Nemesis." There are a few things in the two novels that already suggest the answer is more complicated--Hegol dying and not dying as a specific one; the relationship status of Spock and Saavik as another--but I want to provide this context for what comes below.)

Having attempted to write fiction and finding it very difficult--hell, agonizing--to produce something which left me feeling how my favorite authors leave me feeling, I am very mindful about what I say--and how--in reaction to someone else's work. Consequently, my only comment is that, had I been given a crack at being Mr. Ward's beta reader, I'd have asked for less page time spent with the Nagas, Devidians, various incarnations of Wesley and more page time dropping in on/catching up with characters from the past 20 years of narrative, including scenes involving characters in the broader lit-verse as represented in the Ferengi Alliance, Tholian Assembly, Romulan Empire, Klingon Empire, Tzenkethi Coalition, Breen Confederacy, Gorn Hegemony, etc. Likely a similar response to Mr. Swallow, although it seemed to me that more time was spent with some of these characters.

I'm not a published author and could not have produced what these gents have lovingly and remarkably produced. Could the threat to the timeline have been demonstrated with shorter, intermittent bursts of that threat and its consequences while handing over the freed-up word count to "visiting" all, or almost all, of the characters and stories and dangling plot threads from the TNG, TTN, and DS9 books? (Glad to see Tom and B'elanna; Kirsten Beyer already Coda-fied VOY really well.) I don't know. It is simply a wish. And when I say "visit", I mean demonstrating the unravelling of the lit-verse timeline and its profound meaning through these characters. I would expect many of those dangling threads in their lives would not be resolved, only shown. Having the characters realize that they aren't going to be able to overcome and resolve their inter-personal and intra-personal conflicts, that they aren't going to unravel the mysteries with which they've been confronted . . . well, that parallels our experience as readers.

All that said, thank you, Messrs. Ward and Swallow (and Mack) for not only these novels but also the many that have preceded these and for--along with numerous other authors--carrying the light (or baton) so very far and so richly.
 
For a no holds barred, anything is possible, all the usual rules don’t apply, massive end to 20 years of genuinely bold storytelling, this sure has been safe, predictable, and full of cliches.
 
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