Dune Part 2 2023 (24, 25, 26...)

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Sean Young was blackballed well before she became an "actress of a certain age". She's tried to spin it lately into Hollywood being afraid of a strong woman but there are some pretty crazy stories about the shit she was doing that led to it.

Yes, I was charitably avoiding mentioning those stories. She doesn't come across as particularly wacko for someone ambitious who wants to stand out among the crowd of available talent - particularly in Hollywood. A couple of the stories are strange - for example, the laptops incident - but it seems to have been worked out.

 

[FPAlpha]

https://collider.com/dune-2-filming-start-date-2022/

So according to this report filming may start as early as July next year instead of Fall as previously reported. I could see that happening as a sizeable portion of pre-production work has already been done ( costumes and principal actor casting) and Villeneuve has started on the script before the movie was greenlit. Let's see if it actually happens and i'm looking forward to a trailer around Christmas 2022 or early 2023 ( with production updates including first pics in summer/fall 2022).

 

[Mudd]

The mentats are only there really to demonstrate another extreme human specialisation that was developed after the Butlerian Jihad had abolished all thinking machines. They never appear to be particularly good at their jobs for some reason.

Their job is to compensate for the loss of supercomputers. How good could they be at that?

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Their job is to compensate for the loss of supercomputers. How good could they be at that?

Besides on the Atreides front I doubt even a guy thats supposed to be a walking super computer will see the guy who is supposed to be incapable of betrayal being the traitor coming.

I mean the Barron flat out said he had Yueh killed becuase if it got back to the Emperor that he could break that particular conditioning he'd be a dead man.

 

[Marc]

Besides on the Atreides front I doubt even a guy thats supposed to be a walking super computer will see the guy who is supposed to be incapable of betrayal being the traitor coming.

I mean the Barron flat out said he had Yueh killed becuase if it got back to the Emperor that he could break that particular conditioning he'd be a dead man.

while not taken exactly from the book it’s along similar lines.

the baron doesn’t want people to know he broke a Suk doctor and decides it will be put out that Yueh was a fake.

that and not trusting traitors, even the ones he creates.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Their job is to compensate for the loss of supercomputers. How good could they be at that?

Given the catastrophic failure regarding Yueh's betrayal, I suspect Hawat misapplied Bayes' theorem based on the available evidence. De Vries would be aware of Hawat's likelihood to miscalculate. Hawat failed to factor in De Vries's manipulation of him. De Vries pwned Hawat but Yueh accidentally pwned De Vries by proxy. So the Baron is left in possession of an inferior mentat.

 

[EmoBorg]

I would like to see who would get to play the following characters in Dune part 2.

a) The Baron's other nephew, Feyd-Rautha.

Sting played him in the 1984 movie version.

My pick is either Vin Diesel or Jason Statham. Both can bring their own style to the role. Plus both are bald already, .


b) The Emperor

My pick for the role is either Lee Pace or Kevin Durand. Both are tall and can be menacing in their own way.


c) The Emperor's daughter.

Florence Pugh or Zoë Kravitz are my choices.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

My choice would be Harry Styles for Feyd-Rautha. Alexander Skarsgård is too old as are Vin Diesel and Jason Statham. The character of Feyd, if included, needs to be a charismatic, youthful counterpoint to Paul that the Baron introduces as a ploy to present a more sympathetic face. There was some other actor's name mentioned in connection with the role - I forget who - but nothing was ever confirmed.

 

[Reverend]

Here's the thing about Mentats; they're not just super-computers, they're human super-computers. That brings both it's intuitive advantages and fallible disadvantages compared to actual thinking machines. Still, any computer; Mentat or Thinking Machine is only as good as the data it is provided with. In the case of Thufir; he didn't think to calculate Yueh's conditioning being broken as a serious probability. According to available data that seemed about as likely as the mounted salusan bull's head spontaneously resurrecting itself and coming back for revenge. Jessica was objectively a much more likely candidate for betrayal.
Piter's flaws were tied to his human nature. More specifically his "twisting" gave him a degree of mania; a fixation on certain obsessions that led him away from purely logical calculations.

Regardless of all that, Mentats still have value because flawed as they are, they're still far better a raw number crunching than any normal human mind, and it's not like there's any actual thinking machines left to compete with them. *side-eyes Ix . . .*

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

We'd be screwed in the real world if we gave up computers and relied on humans.

 

[Mudd]

We'd be screwed in the real world if we gave up computers and relied on humans.

Herbert eliminated "thinking machines" almost offhandedly, for the same reason that he declared by fiat that energy weapons interacting with force fields would produce a nuclear explosion: to justify the feudal, imperial far future that he wanted to set his story in. That computers of all kinds would become such flexible tools and so pervasive and ubiquitous so quickly that we can't imagine a technological culture without them is just something he couldn't foresee.

 

[FPAlpha]

while not taken exactly from the book it’s along similar lines.

the baron doesn’t want people to know he broke a Suk doctor and decides it will be put out that Yueh was a fake.

that and not trusting traitors, even the ones he creates.

First rule of a conspiracy is to kill everybody involved. Yueh's life was done the moment he agreed to betray the Atreides.

I would like to see who would get to play the following characters in Dune part 2.

a) The Baron's other nephew, Feyd-Rautha.

Sting played him in the 1984 movie version.

My pick is either Vin Diesel or Jason Statham. Both can bring their own style to the role. Plus both are bald already, .


b) The Emperor

My pick for the role is either Lee Pace or Kevin Durand. Both are tall and can be menacing in their own way.


c) The Emperor's daughter.

Florence Pugh or Zoë Kravitz are my choices.

My pick is either Vin Diesel or Jason Statham. Both can bring their own style to the role. Plus both are bald already

God no, both are mediocre actors at best ( and that's ok for dumb action movies like the FF series or the roles Statham usually plays) but they are far too old to play Feyd. He is about the same age as Paul so they should look in the same age group for casting choices. However i have no idea who's good at the moment since i don't watch too many Young Adult genere movies.

My pick for the role is either Lee Pace or Kevin Durand. Both are tall and can be menacing in their own way.

Lee Pace is probably busy with the Foundation series where he already plays an Emperor, so i guess he may not even be interested ( even if the roles are completely different).

Kevin Durand is a good choice, i like him as an actor but he may be a bit too young. How about Jeff Goldblum? Fantastic actor, tall and i'm sure can be menacing enough if given the right script.

Florence Pugh or Zoë Kravitz are my choices

Both very solid choices and perfectly acceptable.

We'd be screwed in the real world if we gave up computers and relied on humans.

True or even highly advanced AI ( which we don't have yet) - i can agree within the context of Dune, as these machines rose against Humans Skynet style and it took a galaxy wide war to destroy them.

Dumb devices just with an insane processing power? Completely different animal and harmless. There just needs to be a law that states no self-thinking machines are allowed within certain paramaters and they can't control or make decisions for any human.

Computing power is vital to modern research in every scientific field, i doubt that mechanical replacements can work as precise and fast as digital devices but then we talk about a work of fiction, where the author needed a way to reduce the tech level of humanity to a level that excludes high tech to make blade fights feasible ( otherwise the Sardauker would blanket bombard the desert with Nukes and mop up the rest with lasguns in a realistic turn of events).

 

[Reverend]

True or even highly advanced AI ( which we don't have yet) - i can agree within the context of Dune, as these machines rose against Humans Skynet style and it took a galaxy wide war to destroy them.

Not to split hairs, but that's the Pink & The Brain version of events.
From what I recall Frank kept the details vague since the point wasn't to explore that as a story point, merely use it as a world building device.
From some context clues in the appendices I don't get a "galaxy wide war" vibe from it so much as a cultural revolution driven by religious fervour, with as much book burning and persecuting people that owned anything more complex than an abacus as there was actual combat against actual thinking machines.
Regardless, the "Skynet" scenario seems a little too schlocky to me. While on the other hand the idea of humanity stagnating, and accidentally enslaving itself though a lazy overdependence on thinking machines, seems much more in keeping with the themes of the books.

 

[Noname Given]

Not to split hairs, but that's the Pink & The Brain version of events.
From what I recall Frank kept the details vague since the point wasn't to explore that as a story point, merely use it as a world building device.
From some context clues in the appendices I don't get a "galaxy wide war" vibe from it so much as a cultural revolution driven by religious fervour, with as much book burning and persecuting people that owned anything more complex than an abacus as there was actual combat against actual thinking machines.
Regardless, the "Skynet" scenario seems a little too schlocky to me. While on the other hand the idea of humanity stagnating, and accidentally enslaving itself though a lazy overdependence on thinking machines, seems much more in keeping with the themes of the books.

Yes that's what I got from the books as well. There wasn't a rise of a certain form of technology that started a war, it's just that most people begin to distrust the direction in which AI technology was going, and they fought a war to prevent further development of such technology; and after the war codified that such technology was outlawed except for one planet, Ix.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

In the original FH novels, if I recall correctly, AI became taboo because it was used by certain human factions to enfeeble and enslave the rest of humanity (sounds a little too familiar, hmm?). The machine crusade or Butlerian jihad was really against those controlling human factions. It wasn't a struggle against inhuman robots as depicted by BH&KJA - much as they might claim it was FH's intention based on notebooks to which no-one else has access.

 

[Marc]

being reported that a certain younger member of House Harkonnen will be making an appearance in Part Deux.

https://screenrant.com/dune-2-feyd-rautha-appearance-denis-villeneuve-confirmed/

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Some people are linking Barry Keoghan with the role of Feyd-Rautha, which would be an interesting choice if confirmed.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

That would indeed be a curious choice. He would have the psychological menace down pat but I'm not so sure about physical menace.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

That would indeed be a curious choice. He would have the psychological menace down pat but I'm not so sure about physical menace.

Feyd-Rautha is another product of the BG breeding program - one that the BG wanted to mate with an Atreides daughter to produce the Kwisatz Haderach. He's supposed to be very much Paul's equivalent in fighting skill, possibly superior, although he doesn't have the prescient ability, of course. Sting was probably too old for the role in Lynch's version of Dune. He had physicality but Feyd-Rautha was also meant to be the charming face of the Harkonnens and provide the brains in contrast to his bother's brawn - Sting just seemed to smirk a lot. Perhaps we'll get the scene where Feyd tries to assassinate the Baron and the punishment that ensues therefrom.

 

[wayoung]

Breaking Yesterday:

Legendary made a $750 mil deal with the investment fund Apollo Funds.

What's important here is this is a minority stake with no management changes, so the people who greenlit Dune Part 2 are still in positions of authority. This is great news for the second film. Hopefully this is the end of Legendary's merger/investment search.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...ary-760m-minority-stake-to-apollo-1235084468/