I love it when films don't have to pander to a marketing executive's perception of what an audience will understand.
Lost In Space.... Robinsons and breeding.
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It could have been worse.
She might have had to share Rolf with Liesl, Louisa, Marta and Gretl.
Actually Gretl was in an episode of Lost in Space.
It could have been worse.
She might have had to share Rolf with Liesl, Louisa, Marta and Gretl.
Actually Gretl was in an episode of Lost in Space.
haha I thought Penny would elope with the Bloop.
Liesl was hot. Charmain Carr was 21 when she played the part of Liesl and that was the film that made her famous.
Please elaborate on that one... I mean I kind of think I get what you are saying.
Do you mean that a film where the director gets to do his vision of a film and his alone without external interference?
They do mention light speed on the show and even the word hyperdrive is used many years before Star Wars coined the term.
Was the space walk in the pilot/second episode happening at super luminal speed?
No I think they stopped the ship if it was there would be serious problems.
Also...
"Almost at once there followed the discovery of Hyper-Drive, through which the speed of light was first attained, and later greatly surpassed."
—Forbidden Planet, 1956
SPOCK : All decks prepare for hyperdrive.
NUMBER ONE: All decks are ready, sir.
PIKE: Engage.
—"The Cage" made roughly the same time as Lost In Space's pilot.
Star Wars didn't coin the term, it just popularized it.
EDIT: Also, LIS says the Jupiter II is fueled by deutronium, which I suspect is inspired by the then-current discovery of the antideuteron, the first complex atomic nucleus of antimatter to be found, which is all over newspapers in the spring of 1965. Many of these articles mention a possible "antiworld" as per the following...
When bits of matter and antimatter meet, they annihilate each other, turning into energy. Thus, if a spaceman from earth shook hands with a spaceman from the antiworld, both would disappear in a flash of light, heat and radiation. In an antiworld, time as we know it would run backward. There might be an antiyou, made up of reverse atoms and molecules.
—Lancaster New Era, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, Monday, June 14, 1965, p.34
—Lancaster New Era, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, Monday, June 14, 1965, p.34
...which we're suspecting might have fueled "The Alternative Factor" and perhaps "The Counter‑Clock Incident".
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Actually two planets have been confirmed to orbit around Proxima Centauri, with one being close to Earth's size and within the habitable zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri
There are probably instances of the term being used prior to Forbidden Planet in pulp SF literature. It's a short step from using the term hyperspace to hyperdrive and my guess is that is its origin.
The concepts of higher dimension topology developed in the late 19th century perhaps first found their way into art as Cubism and Vorticism at the beginning of the 20th century and these movements subsequently influenced experimentation in music, literature, and architecture. SF literature was also heavily influenced by radical scientific advances such as special relativity, general relativity, and quantum physics, of course. However, I am probably grossly oversimplifying.
The concepts of higher dimension topology developed in the late 19th century perhaps first found their way into art as Cubism and Vorticism at the beginning of the 20th century and these movements subsequently influenced experimentation in music, literature, and architecture. SF literature was also heavily influenced by radical scientific advances such as special relativity, general relativity, and quantum physics, of course. However, I am probably grossly oversimplifying.
In the original LiS pilot, it was intended to be sublight, which was why they were in cryogenic stasis tubes. The idea, as I understand it, was that they'd be knocked off course and drift for an unknown number of years before finally reviving. But when the reshoots added Dr. Smith and the Robot, there was no extra cryotube for him, so they had to write in a throwaway reference to a hyperdrive to explain why he wasn't a mummified corpse by the time the Robinsons revived.
Yes, I know, but as I said, Proxima is a flare star whose radiation would probably preclude those planets from being habitable. Just being in the habitable zone doesn't guarantee that a planet is habitable, just that it's in the right temperature range that it theoretically could be if other parameters are met. And Proxima's flare activity is so intense that any planet in its (potentially) habitable zone might have had its water and atmosphere stripped away long ago, and would be too regularly subjected to lethal radiation bursts for it to be habitable for humans, even if indigenous life had evolved some kind of robust radiation defenses. See: https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2021/04/23/proxima-flare-captured-at-multiple-wavelengths/
The earliest recorded citation of "hyperdrive" is from 1946:
https://sfdictionary.com/view/58/hyperdrive
It was commonly used by Asimov, Anderson, and other writers of that era.
As a general rule, it's always safe to assume that any term or concept in science fiction originated in prose at least a decade before it was popularized onscreen. Screen SF is almost never ahead of prose SF and usually lags far behind (though there are rare exceptions, like Blade Runner and Max Headroom anticipating cyberpunk).
There was implied incest in the final Lensman novel, Children of the Lens, which was published in 1954 - although it was first serialised in 1947. It suggests that Kimball Kinnison's children - one boy and four girls - will be the sole progenitors of the replacements for the Arisians. Lost in Space was first broadcast in 1965 so if you count the book rather than the serial, that's a gap of between one and two decades.
Incest isn't that uncommon in literature, although it's usually accidental:
Surprise Incest | Tropedia | Fandom
Of course, we don't believe Luke and Leia ever really got it on.
What an incredibly bizarre and creepy non sequitur. What the hell has incest got to do with anything? I'm talking about concepts specific to science fiction, like hyperdrive or wormholes or genetic engineering, say.
Erm ... and the title of this thread is?
Not even close to what I was addressing in the comment you responded to. You should've read more closely before responding.
"Contraterrene matter" was a popular science fiction term in the 1940s for what we usually call "antimatter" now. It may track back to a scientific paper published by V. Rojansky in 1940.
Encyclopedia.com has an interesting short article on the general topic of incest, and how what's actually known about the extent and nature of the practice throughout history, as well as what is known and not known about harm necessarily caused by it, is rather different than what we are comfortable assuming based on our values - but then, I think Margaret Mead clued the academic community into that, decades ago.
Certainly it was not genetically possible for a group the size of the Robinsons to restart a human population, regardless of whether they were related or not.
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The Space Family Robinson is loosely based on the Swiss Family Robinson, where the children had sex with ostriches.
I remember reading Children of the Lens when I was about 12 and thought then it was a rather peculiar avenue for E E Smith to go down. This sort of taboo-defying weirdness does appear to be not uncommon in SF literature. I suppose they're pushing boundaries but I'm more interested in the effects of science on society. It does make sense in Brave New World, for example, but sometimes it seems out of place and gratuitous.
I like stories about people, not societies.
The cyberpunk writers were terribly successful at visualizing the likely effects of technological innovations on the way people live, but what made them compelling was that their stories were so often about street-level folk. It was a departure from a genre full of star captains and galactic senators written, as I think Damon Knight may have been the one to first note, by a bunch of guys who'd never met anyone as exalted as their city alderman.
Heinlein had a little bit of a kinky thing about incest.
The cyberpunk writers were terribly successful at visualizing the likely effects of technological innovations on the way people live, but what made them compelling was that their stories were so often about street-level folk. It was a departure from a genre full of star captains and galactic senators written, as I think Damon Knight may have been the one to first note, by a bunch of guys who'd never met anyone as exalted as their city alderman.
Heinlein had a little bit of a kinky thing about incest.
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