What are your top 3 Star Trek films?
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TVH, TWOK, TMP... probably in that order. That said, on my last rewatch I had a great time with Generations, so an honorable mention goes its way. Weirdly enough, among the TNG films, my favorities are GEN and NEM, far ahead of the other two. I'm very critical of FC.
FC had gaping plot holes and poorly cast Zefram Cochrane.
For me, it's other aspects. I thought Cromwell was fine, if not the Cochrane we had known before.
My order changes depending on whether I'm in the mood for lighthearted or action. As well as who I'm watching Trek with. It's less fun to watch with either nitpickers (who complain a bit too much about plot holes &/or something not being valid science) or complete newbs who want EVERYTHING explained to them. I prefer & eagerly participate in a lively discussion AFTER the movie.
so I missed a lot of dialogue.
based on what I currently rewatch
TSFS
GEN
FC
TSFS
GEN
FC
I reckon the fact they make a big thing of finding a planet with no life, which is why they beam down to where Khan is, is a big plot hole, considering they just create a planet from nothing when genesis is blown up later.
My memory is hazy on their reasoning for going down to the planet because it has been years since I watched the film. What was their actual stated reasoning for going down to the planet's surface? To determine if it was a candidate for the genesis project? If so, I don't see a major plot hole there. Am I wrong?
yeah it was but as the actual genesis planet was created without the need for a host planet why did they need to go check it out?
They made a big deal about finding a planet without life when they didn't need a planet at all
But they didn't know that at the time. The nature of the planet create out of the Mutara nebula was pretty much an unintended consequence. The whole point of the Reliant expedition was to find an appropriate "dead" world, with no native life that would be killed in the test detonation. That a planet would be created by the Genesis effect from nothing was a random effect.
Was the actual Genesis planet "created?" I didn't recall that. I thought it was a dead planet that they turned into a "living" planet by throwing what Genesis is onto it?
Maybe they went down because they wanted to confirm there was nothing crawling around on the surface (which as it turns out had those creatures the put in certain characters ears). Maybe there is another reason we have not yet thought of. We are talking about a fictional time and place we can't really be sure about, and it seems like a pretty minor irregularity (if that is what it is).
Yes, it was. There was no planet or planetary body around so the device used the matter from the Reliant and the Mutara Nebula to create the Genesis Planet.
That is not the description of Genesis that was provided in Star Trek II, and it seems that it would require less energy to start with a lifeless planet anyway. This was the description of Genesis provided in Star Trek II, so it makes sense they would be on the look out out for a "dead" planet:
Well, yes, but where did the planet come from at the end of the film?
I've seen TWOK 100 Million Times. I practically wore out the video tape when I was a kid.
The Enterprise battles the Reliant in the Mutara Nebula where there's no planet. The Reliant explodes, then a planet forms where the Reliant was. What happened at the end of the film isn't consistent with what Carol described in her proposal.
If they created it from a nebula, I guess they chose a different route because that other planet didn't check out when they discovered it was carrying slugs that were shoved in people's ears? Just a theory. I think I need to watch TWOK again.
It sounds like it was incidental though if it is due to a ship exploding and not something that was planned. Advise me on where any "plot holes" exist in TWOK. Would you describe the sequence of events you referenced as a "plot hole?"
You misunderstand. I'm just pointing out what it is. It doesn't make me like the film any less.
I can do it later, if you really want.
Find "plot holes" later? That was really the basis of the discussion. It started with me trying to justify why they went down to the planet to check it out. Thus far, I don't see anything that constitutes a major "plot hole" in TWOK, but I am sure you are the guy to let me know if there is.
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