He's got a Anthony Fremont vibe.
Stargirl Season 2 - Discussion ( Spoiler Warning)
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Good point! Thanks.
To quote our favourite Vulcan, "Interesting."
First of all, stop calling me "Shirley." Secondly you need to go back and watch at least a few Hitchcock films. Suspense is created by the situation of the character we are currently watching, even if they only have a 60 second existence in the story. Cindy certainly qualifies as someone we were watching.
If Courtney had been the last out, would you REALY, during those few seconds before she came out, have worried she would be still trapped ? That the last few episodes of this season would occur with her stuck in the Shadowlands? Sheesh.
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Honestly, I have more interest and attachment to Cindy then McNider for sure. I'm not arguing that isn't the better way to do it, just suggesting there may be some value in subverting the typical structure on occasion. In this particular occasion though, I think it's especially bad as it would be in more character for Courtney to wait for the others as previously mentioned.
But Beth, Pat, and the Shade all have attachments to McNider, so if we care about any of them, that gives us reason to care about whether they get McNider back.
I've been thinking about this, and I really have to disagree. As a viewer, the most we would expect is that Courtney remain trapped for another episode. She's the star--her contract is not in danger and she's not going to disappear. Having her come out less to build suspense or have some kind of an emotional pay off is akin to "we've seen this trope before". Having Cindy come out last is tense in that, if Cindy remains trapped she could lose any character development that happened during the episode. We've seen her change; we want her to escape. We know that if she doesn't she is only going to fall deeper into her obsession with revenge. She'll become a bigger bad. This was what I was thinking watching the final scene; in fact I was expecting it when I saw her coming out last. I think that is a lot more tense than saving the main character for last in a show where we know she is not going to die.
This I agree with.
I like that they do have "attachments" but that isn't the story.
Look, I get that you may have written it a different way, but your way isn't necessarily better than what we watched. What we watched made perfect sense to me (Courtney is the leader/star/title character and led the way), and I can't imagine any more "Suspense" if they had come out in a different order.
I feel like you are just nerding and nitpicking because it isn't exactly the way you would have done it. Honestly, I enjoyed that ending and I don't think your version would have made any meaningful difference to the story.
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I still find this an artificial objection. Like I said, as viewers, we objectively know that none of this is happening at all, that it's just scripted lines delivered by actors on a set months ago and there is no real danger. The only reason we care at all is because we suspend disbelief about "what we know" and choose to buy into the immediacy of the illusion. So I don't understand the arbitrary selectiveness of choosing to suspend disbelief that these characters and their conflicts exist at all while refusing to suspend disbelief about the uncertainty of their survival. It's a self-contradictory argument.
And I still think it is overused and people rarely suspend disbelief in these scenes. We do not have to agree though, so let's move on.
You share that fave with Superman. In a post-Crisis/pre-Flashpoint comic he teams up with Alan Scott. He says Alan was always his dads favourite JSAer, but when Alan asks him whose his was he sheepishly admits it was Ted.
The hospital, the nurse's name and of course Mr. Bones are references to Infinity Inc's foes The Helix.
Yolanda was also product of the experiments that gave them powers. (By Dr. Love)
If we see a live action Kritter...
OHPLEEZENO
Recently got home from surgery, and caught up with the episodes.
Many, this is a a great show...i just wish my actual 16 year old would have been willing to watch with us. This last episode for me just especially highlighted Pat and Courtney's "goodness".
Actually sad about the Shade... he died well, as a hero.
OK, so did you guys REALLY think that Pat was JUST into vintage cars? You didn't think any of that might be a hint of WHEN he was truly from?
As stated, the boy playing Eclipso is just magnificient in his role. He would be terrifying in a live action version of the Twlight Episode starrign Billy Mumy.
DOesn't any else (definitely not Christopher) think this season did a good job of creating a setting that is Covid friendly (for the production crew) but the rest of us not noticing it?
Many, this is a a great show...i just wish my actual 16 year old would have been willing to watch with us. This last episode for me just especially highlighted Pat and Courtney's "goodness".
Actually sad about the Shade... he died well, as a hero.
OK, so did you guys REALLY think that Pat was JUST into vintage cars? You didn't think any of that might be a hint of WHEN he was truly from?
As stated, the boy playing Eclipso is just magnificient in his role. He would be terrifying in a live action version of the Twlight Episode starrign Billy Mumy.
DOesn't any else (definitely not Christopher) think this season did a good job of creating a setting that is Covid friendly (for the production crew) but the rest of us not noticing it?
yes that was raised very early on by some-one who (can't remember who) who latched on the idea that "summer school" would have few students about for starters.
I think that his car will actually be the Star Rocket Racer when the timing is appropriate. Or at least I hope so.
Good to know Right Said Fred still makes money off that song.
Did Beth lose a bet and was forced to wear that outfit?
I was surprised to see the kitchen still scorched.
Did Cindy always have dramatic entrance and ninja exit powers? Batman is jealous.
I would’ve killed to have Mike’s friend’s bedroom growing up.
Did Pat torture a guy in a hospital bed?
Still more setting up the pieces but this had to be the least actiony one yet.
Did Beth lose a bet and was forced to wear that outfit?
I was surprised to see the kitchen still scorched.
Did Cindy always have dramatic entrance and ninja exit powers? Batman is jealous.
I would’ve killed to have Mike’s friend’s bedroom growing up.
Did Pat torture a guy in a hospital bed?
Still more setting up the pieces but this had to be the least actiony one yet.
The CW is definitely on a tight budget for this show. Yet, the episode still delivered for me. I really love these characters. I would really love to find out what Pat did in the hospital--I would love for it to turn out to be something funny rather than macabre and yet, if he did do something bad, it seems like that would play into Pat's hand.
This episode got me wondering if something is up with Cindy, but I am going with the idea that the show is not giving her a total change of personality--she's still not "good". It looks like her speech to Courtney will play into Eclipso's plan, so even if Cindy is not working for him consciously, I am inclined to believe Eclipso let her leave the shadow realm because he knew that she would sow darkness for him.
I was a little disheartened not to see Beth's parents this week as I was hoping there was something more to the storyline. It was great to see Yolanda back though.
This show has one of my favorite casts in the CWverse behind only Superman and Lois and Black Lightning.
This episode got me wondering if something is up with Cindy, but I am going with the idea that the show is not giving her a total change of personality--she's still not "good". It looks like her speech to Courtney will play into Eclipso's plan, so even if Cindy is not working for him consciously, I am inclined to believe Eclipso let her leave the shadow realm because he knew that she would sow darkness for him.
I was a little disheartened not to see Beth's parents this week as I was hoping there was something more to the storyline. It was great to see Yolanda back though.
This show has one of my favorite casts in the CWverse behind only Superman and Lois and Black Lightning.
This episode was mostly setup for the finale, but I still enjoyed it!
Chuck and Beth together was awesome, as is Mike and Jakeem’s budding friendship. You don’t want to mess with Pat, that’s for sure. I wonder what he did to Rick’s uncle to convince him to change his mind?
Can’t wait for the finale
Chuck and Beth together was awesome, as is Mike and Jakeem’s budding friendship. You don’t want to mess with Pat, that’s for sure. I wonder what he did to Rick’s uncle to convince him to change his mind?
Can’t wait for the finale
It feels like they're trying too hard to add multiple characters all at once, so there's not a lot of room for each subplot. Especially since this was a surprisingly short episode, 38 minutes including a lengthy opening recap.
The actor playing Dr. McNider is kind of creepy, and not particularly good. I suspect they cast him for his vocal resemblance to Henry Thomas more than anything else.
I hate the implication that Pat tortured Rick's uncle into dropping the charges. I'm so damn sick of fiction looking for excuses to justify torture.
They finally tied off the loose end from last season, with Cindy revealing to Yolanda that it was she, not Henry, who shared the nude pictures with the school. It feels like too little, too late, though, given that Henry's dead.
I think there is a possibility that she could redeem herself. When we saw that she was spying on Courtney and Yolanda, after Yolanda expressed her guilt about killing, Cindy looked a bit choked up, like she was dealing with her own guilt. Maybe she's not the complete psychopath she appears.
The actor playing Dr. McNider is kind of creepy, and not particularly good. I suspect they cast him for his vocal resemblance to Henry Thomas more than anything else.
I hate the implication that Pat tortured Rick's uncle into dropping the charges. I'm so damn sick of fiction looking for excuses to justify torture.
They finally tied off the loose end from last season, with Cindy revealing to Yolanda that it was she, not Henry, who shared the nude pictures with the school. It feels like too little, too late, though, given that Henry's dead.
I think there is a possibility that she could redeem herself. When we saw that she was spying on Courtney and Yolanda, after Yolanda expressed her guilt about killing, Cindy looked a bit choked up, like she was dealing with her own guilt. Maybe she's not the complete psychopath she appears.
I'm grateful for the hint that the Shade is in fact still alive. It would have been pretty pointless to have him die to rescue Courtney, when she only needed rescued in the first place so he could start to heal.
(And he's a much more interesting character than either McNider or Cindy)
Hope they're able to exorcise Jade quickly enough.
(And he's a much more interesting character than either McNider or Cindy)
Hope they're able to exorcise Jade quickly enough.
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