Obviously it's been too long since my last visit to TOS but remind me, could part of those five years be before Kirk took command of the Enterprise? He was out there in some other duty?
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Obviously it's been too long since my last visit to TOS but remind me, could part of those five years be before Kirk took command of the Enterprise? He was out there in some other duty?
My take, which generally agrees with the official Paramount/Okuda chronology:
"The Cage(TOS)": Early 2254
"Where No Man Has Gone Before(TOS)": Late 2265
TOS: Late 2266 through early 2269
TAS: Early 2269 to mid-to-late 2270
TMP: Early 2273
"The Cage(TOS)": Early 2254
"Where No Man Has Gone Before(TOS)": Late 2265
TOS: Late 2266 through early 2269
TAS: Early 2269 to mid-to-late 2270
TMP: Early 2273
I've always loved the episode, but it'll be interesting to watch it again after so many years.
Poetic names are a Harlan Ellison hallmark.
Having read his original script, if they could've actually afforded to film it, it would've been an amazing piece of television.I like Miri too. I'm looking forward to seeing it again.
When the show first premiered, my husband called Voyager the "sleek Italian running shoe."
I've always loved the episode, but it'll be interesting to watch it again after so many years.
Poetic names are a Harlan Ellison hallmark.
I'm not saying other people can't like City on the Edge of Forever, just that I cannot find anything remotely interesting or redeemable about it
Even the non-filmed person wouldn't have been my thing.I think the title made me expect something more like the Futurama episode "The Late Phillip J. Fry" with them travelling to the heat death of the universe and stuff like that.
And well...in general the moment a Star Trek episode goes to the 20th/20st century (or earlier) it's kind of dead for me, that's not what I watch a space ship show for.
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I wish Tarantino had been able to do his version of Star Trek, our first R rated outing with the gang for sure. Not just for the sake of an R rating I just would have liked to have seen what he would do given the chance.
Ah! OK, thanks for clarifying.I'm not saying other people can't like City on the Edge of Forever, just that I cannot find anything remotely interesting or redeemable about it
I think the title made me expect something more like the Futurama episode "The Late Phillip J. Fry" with them travelling to the heat death of the universe and stuff like that.
And well...in general the moment a Star Trek episode goes to the 20th/20st century (or earlier) it's kind of dead for me, that's not what I watch a space ship show for.
He played Wilma in Maltese Falcon before either…
Wilmer. Wilmer Cook, no less.
No, that was Elisha Cook Jr. (Samuel T. Cogley from "Court Martial").
The actor here is John Fiedler.
The UFP has never been the enlightened utopia that certain fans like to believe it was.
Not really controversial, but...all of the concept designs for the USS Excelsior for the third film were actual ships. There were I believe four of them? And over the course of ten years since shortly after the events of TMP, those first four starships were launched one after the other as testbeds for the transwarp drive. All failed, until the final ship, the one we see in TSFS. That one actually did end up succeeding in breaking the 'transwarp' barrier, necessitating a new warp speed scale by the 24th century.
I'll never understand why people preface their controversial opinion with "not really controversial" and the likes. Surely the fact that there's zero onscreen evidence would be a clue that at least some fans aren't going to buy into it? The Excelsior was referred to as "the great experiment," not the latest experiment.
Yeah, there may well have been NX-Alpha/Beta/Delta style testbed craft used during the Excelsior development project but ever since 1984 it's been pretty heavily implied that the NX-2000 was the first Federation starship to test a transwarp drive system on a large scale.
All right, how's THIS for controversial: We need more series and/or films set during Kirk's second five year mission aboard the refit Enterprise, set just after TMP and leading up to TWOK.
Not only is there quite literally a 12 year (14 years if we're being generous) gap in Kirk and Company's story which has NEVER been explored, I quite sincerely ADORE the late 70's sci fi aesthetic of The Motion Picture. While some things could be modified slightly (the uniforms sounded extremely uncomfortable from interviews with the actors, basically just pull a TNG Season 3 and keep the same colors and basic design, just make them fit the actors better) the general look and feel of the Motion Picture is comfort food for my eyes and ears. I ADORE that entire aesthetic. And I think Trek could stand to take a lot more cues design wise from that era. The Kelvinverse and Discovery were headed in that general direction (Into Darkness had the crew wearing gray two piece uniforms VERY similar to their TMP counterparts while on Earth, and the USS Discovery is based literally on an unused design for the Enterprise in a cancelled 70's film).
TL;DR 70's Star Trek needs more love. We have seen hints of it in recent 23rd century shows, but it needs to be fully acknowledged.
Not only is there quite literally a 12 year (14 years if we're being generous) gap in Kirk and Company's story which has NEVER been explored, I quite sincerely ADORE the late 70's sci fi aesthetic of The Motion Picture. While some things could be modified slightly (the uniforms sounded extremely uncomfortable from interviews with the actors, basically just pull a TNG Season 3 and keep the same colors and basic design, just make them fit the actors better) the general look and feel of the Motion Picture is comfort food for my eyes and ears. I ADORE that entire aesthetic. And I think Trek could stand to take a lot more cues design wise from that era. The Kelvinverse and Discovery were headed in that general direction (Into Darkness had the crew wearing gray two piece uniforms VERY similar to their TMP counterparts while on Earth, and the USS Discovery is based literally on an unused design for the Enterprise in a cancelled 70's film).
TL;DR 70's Star Trek needs more love. We have seen hints of it in recent 23rd century shows, but it needs to be fully acknowledged.
It was Government Marketing that the UFP is a "Enlightend Utopia".
The UFP is definitely better than what we have now, but it's a far cry from Utopia.
I always get them confused.
Then too, I thought Wayne Newton Tony Orlando and Robert Gulet were the same person…
I think a lot of fans apply rose coloured glasses to the UFP some of the time.
It's not paradise but it's better then what we have now.
A lot of us seem to be saying the same thing here
Just on the whole transwarp ships, did they ever have a ship that was supposed to travel out as far as possible and not make it home? I remember an episode of Andromeda where they find a ship that had been traveling for hundreds of years but due to relativity they could never see it as it was constantly in motion. It's engine was used as a kind of gun some of the time as well, as they had no actual shipboard weapons.
Anyway I'm wondering if Starfleet ever did anything like that, and that a ship we might meet in a future series?
I think a lot of fans apply rose coloured glasses to the UFP some of the time.
It's not paradise but it's better then what we have now.
A lot of us seem to be saying the same thing here
Just on the whole transwarp ships, did they ever have a ship that was supposed to travel out as far as possible and not make it home? I remember an episode of Andromeda where they find a ship that had been traveling for hundreds of years but due to relativity they could never see it as it was constantly in motion. It's engine was used as a kind of gun some of the time as well, as they had no actual shipboard weapons.
Anyway I'm wondering if Starfleet ever did anything like that, and that a ship we might meet in a future series?
"THE LONE AND LEVEL SANDS" was the ANDROMEDA episode, with Tony Todd no less.
That's a good idea.
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