Should the borg make an appearance in season 4 or later?

[dupersuper]

No Borg please, leave that to Picard where two of the characters have direct, and somewhat shared, connections to them so it makes sense.
There's no reason for the Borg to show up in Discovery's storyline. Besides, the way the Borg are presented in the 24thC, they will likely have reached a point long before the 31st where they either assimilate basically everything and become the dominant power, or are incapacitated/destroyed. Given that we know the first doesn't seem to have happened, I'd guess they aren't around the Galaxy as much anymore. Maybe someone with fewer morals decided to use Data's Borg destroying spirograph.

But we see in Lower Decks (and Star Trek Online) that they are around in the future and surprisingly chill.

 

[fireproof78]

Chill Borg are still Borg, still suck and should be avoided.

 

[cultcross]

Lower Decks is only set a year after Nemesis, so I'd have no expectation that anything would have changed in so short a time. My point is that there's a big gap between Picard's setting and Discovery's new setting in which the Borg should have either been dealt with for good, or conquered everything.

 

[dupersuper]

Lower Decks is only set a year after Nemesis, so I'd have no expectation that anything would have changed in so short a time. My point is that there's a big gap between Picard's setting and Discovery's new setting in which the Borg should have either been dealt with for good, or conquered everything.

The Lower Decks scene with the Borg was set in the far future.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

YOU ARE WELCOME TO BE ASSIMILATED
RESISTANCE IS UNNECESSARY
YOUR BIOLOGICAL AND TECHNOLOGICAL DISTINCTIVENESS WILL BE ADDED TO OUR OWN IF YOU’RE OKAY WITH THAT

WE ARE THE CANADIAN BORG.
RESISTANCE WOULD BE IMPOLITE.
PLEASE WAIT TO BE ASSIMILATED.

(Pour l'assimilation en francais, veuillez appuyer sur le '2'.)

 

[ScottJ85]

If they appear, they should be radically different from the old Borg in some new or interesting way.

 

[seigezunt]

Good God, no. I will double my P+ subscription payment if that can ensure no more Borg

 

[Sketcher]

I mean why not? Not counting Picard, it's been nearly twenty years since the Borg were showcased as a real threat to anyone. That's an entire generation on this planet who've never seen them in that light. I'm game.

 

[SithHappens]

I'd personally love to see what has happened to the Borg.

 

[Timo]

Lower Decks is only set a year after Nemesis, so I'd have no expectation that anything would have changed in so short a time. My point is that there's a big gap between Picard's setting and Discovery's new setting in which the Borg should have either been dealt with for good, or conquered everything.

The Borg don't sound like the rushing type. Guinan and Q seem to agree their antics date back "thousands of centuries". Even if the provincial Waadvaur got it right and the Borg were bit players barely a thousand years before present, that's still a millennium more than would have passed between TNG and PIC. What would drive change here? The Borg are already everywhere, with those fancy hubs all across the galaxy and all. They don't seem to be in a rush to acquire more planets or Drones. They get new tech best by acting slowly and methodically, cultivating their victim cultures as in "Child's Play".

For all we know, the Borg in DSC will be the same, only they now adapt to self-materializing phasers the same way they would have adapted to Kirk's primitive sidearms had that particular hero had the misfortune of meeting 'em cyborgs. And their nanoprobes now wrestle UFP programmable matter particles to submission like they would Kirk's poor blood cells. But they still go "Resistance is futile" while lurching along.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Lord Garth]

Now that they're out of the 23rd Century, it's not so much that I'm against the Borg appearing in Discovery because "I don't want the Borg in Discovery!" but because I think Picard should have the space to tell its story with them.

As @cultcross said, they would've either been defeated or taken over the galaxy (the latter of which doesn't seem to have happened), but they might have also completely changed so that they no longer become a threat without having to be defeated. They decide, for whatever reason, they no longer need to conquer the galaxy through assimilation or conquer it at all. And I just think that's Picard's story to tell.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Not directly Disco related but it seems that the Borg will return in Season 2 of Picard.

https://deadline.com/2021/09/star-trek-picard-annie-wersching-recurring-for-season-2-1234826556/

 

[Tim Thomason]

The Borg don't sound like the rushing type. Guinan and Q seem to agree their antics date back "thousands of centuries". Even if the provincial Waadvaur got it right and the Borg were bit players barely a thousand years before present, that's still a millennium more than would have passed between TNG and PIC. What would drive change here? The Borg are already everywhere, with those fancy hubs all across the galaxy and all. They don't seem to be in a rush to acquire more planets or Drones. They get new tech best by acting slowly and methodically, cultivating their victim cultures as in "Child's Play".

For all we know, the Borg in DSC will be the same, only they now adapt to self-materializing phasers the same way they would have adapted to Kirk's primitive sidearms had that particular hero had the misfortune of meeting 'em cyborgs. And their nanoprobes now wrestle UFP programmable matter particles to submission like they would Kirk's poor blood cells. But they still go "Resistance is futile" while lurching along.

Timo Saloniemi

The Borg are extremely adaptable, that's their kick, and with what appears to be another burgeoning galactic culture in pre-Burn Federation, I like to think that the Borg adapted once more. Whether that was to go in hiding, or shrink itself down, or even do some silly non-compete treaty with the Federation and bide their time, we don't know.

I suspect there have been multiple galactic powers before, not just the Slavers, and the Borg may have dealt with one or two on their own terms once upon a time.

But yeah, in terms of real world story divisioning, we'll probably learn more about the Borg on Star Trek: Picard and then Star Trek: Prodigy, before Star Trek: Discovery can be allowed to give us the "final fate" of the Borg.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Not as an adversary, no. As descendants of Borg who were freed from the Collective centuries ago (the ex-B's, the Unimatrix-01 Borg, the VOY-Unity Borg, any Borg set free after Janeway nuked the Collective, etc.) but decided to live in a Federation or independent ex-Borg colony world where they can come and go from the collective consciousness at will, sure. They use it for simplifying education, work, and government and so forth, but when they go home they disconnect and go be with their own families and friends either as individuals or a micro-collective.

It's sort of like a mix of the New Humans from the TMP novelization, Bynars from TNG, the ex-Borg "Cooperative" formed by the freed Borg from VOY: "Unity", and with advanced (entirely internal implants) Borg tech beyond the capabilities of the 29th century Borg "One" from the VOY episode of the same name.

 

[krsplat]

In my opinion, Borg might appear positronically at most, the theory of "American interventionalism"
summarizes typical Borg behavior as shown thus far; so-I would hope that after several centurys of narrative:
a Borg vocalizer iteration somewhat more well-versed on the topic could simply acknowledge
the unique cultural identifyers of distinct 'Earthlings' ... 'Vulcanlings' ... etc. & refrain from undergoing extra effort
to proselytize in hope to convert them to 'Borglings' so to speak.

The collective have to take those cultural identifyors on a case-by-case base, the Borg collective seem to have
failed ostensibly to interact and socialize among non-hominid enemy combatants, and for reference, that is why
learning to apply the suffix "-ling" to an alien tetrapod is a clear representation of what it means to be hominid
in the galaxy. So, I think that to trivialize that issuance of perspective is why failing to adapt to the presence
of non-hominid aliens might take place, failure to use a normative suffix "-ling" in reference to alien tetrapod(s),
would be a sign the Borg collective are unprepared to move onto interaction w/ non-hominid aliens.

 

[Dryson]

The Borg would definitely come after the new Starship designs of the Federation. If the Borg ever learned about the Spore Drive, their collective drive at assimilating the entire galaxy would be sparked like a high school bon fire.

Now imagine the Borg actually getting their probes on the Spore Drive.

The Spore Drive is the most technically advanced piece of machinery in the known universe, that is able to be assimilated. Borg only assimilate technology that is better that their own. Everything else is assimilated or broken down into base elements to make material for the Cubes and other Borg ships from.

The Spore Drive would definitely provoke the attention of the Borg to say the least.

 

[krsplat]

It could be, that the Tardigrade(s) and the Borg(s) are comrades, and that Tardigrade(s) often
keep altered Borg technologies in their pockets.
The Tardigrade(s) have compressed versions of some Borg technologies, except the compressed
version isn't waterproof, so it must be kept out of potentially harsh atmospheres.
Tardigrade(s) often ponder why Borg(s) don't just use the technology while remaining
stationary, and Borg(s) ignore the implorement from the Tardigrade(s), opting to continue carrying
and utilizing the technology while not at a standstill. The Tardigrade(s) contend that a spore-drive
is reliant upon a concentrative preparatory focus, and the Borg refutation is that
their technology allows them to view their coordinates and proximity to the surrounding
environment along with descriptions of impending terrain.
Tardigrade(s),
and Borg(s), may be collaborative on spore-drive technologies, except that they differ on
opting to either evaluate navigational information prior to departure and embarkment
upon a pre-planned route,
or to embark upon a path and concurrently scan for navigational information. The difference
represents a vital divergence from the original design scheme of the spore-drive.
Nevertheless,
a convergence of the Borg(s) and the Tardigrade(s) upon a destination within range of proximity is
arguably plausible, though an unproven event according to research.

 

[SG-17]

I'd like a resolution to the Borg. Either confirm they are gone or somehow reformed into a largely normal society. Because you'd imagine if the Borg were still the old fashioned assimilate and conquer Borg they could have easily assimilated the Alpha Quadrant in the aftermath of the Burn.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

I'd like a resolution to the Borg. Either confirm they are gone or somehow reformed into a largely normal society. Because you'd imagine if the Borg were still the old fashioned assimilate and conquer Borg they could have easily assimilated the Alpha Quadrant in the aftermath of the Burn.

It turns out that Borg drones were powered by tiny warp cores.

 

[fireproof78]

Resolution: Admiral Vance: "Thankfully, the Borg were deactivated via a recursion loop that froze the hive mind. They haven't been a concern since them. If you sight a Borg cube please inform Starfleet Intelligence so it can be studied further. Now that that's out of the way on to your next mission..."

RIP*, Borg. And good riddance.


*rest in pieces.