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SyFy & Tomatometer say: DS9 is the best

Saying one Trek is better than another only provides a partial picture. For instance, DS9 has stinkers like "Profit and Lace", while the lower ranking Enterprise has strong efforts like "Dead Stop" and "Terra Prime".

Yep, for sure. Every series has its bombs. Bad star trek is bad indeed.

To be honest this ranking the series stuff doesn't do it for me. I watch every series on rotation, so the 'best' series of trek is usually the one that I just happen to be watching at the time
 
DS9 definitely had more realism than what came before. I actually think they should have done one or two more seasons showcasing the fallout of the Dominion War. I mean, seriously, it's not like the Federation can sweep it under the rug like nothing happened. There would be a LOT to tell.

Honestly, it was lame that they had a seven-year limit. DS9 could easily have gone eight.

Right now I'm midway through peak DS9. Sisko is clearly the best captain.

He's arguably Trek's most nuanced, complex, and well-rounded character. And unlike some other captains, he evolves a lot.
 
Right now I'm midway through peak DS9. Sisko is clearly the best captain.
Sisko is an interesting case foor me.

When I once started to watch DS9, I thought that he was gloomy and boring.

But the more I watched, the more I started to like him. He could be a real bada** sometimes. OK, he was a bit hysterical when it came to Eddington but most of the time he was brilliant, a great Captain!
 
Yeah, in the end he could "live with" being complicit (thanks to Garrick) in the death of a Romulan ambassador, and a common criminal. I guess that makes bada**. :klingon:
That episode In The Pale Moonlight when that happened is actually very thought-provoking and as such very interesting.

I have had some debates over this episode a couple of times with people who hate the episode because it's so far from Star Trek ideals and/or criticize Sisko for his actions.

I can agree that the episode is far from the ideals of Star Trek and that Sisko's manipulations are mean here.

But I must also state that if I was a leader for a small country which was threatened by a bigger country and I knew that this bigger country wouldn't hesitate to commit genocide in order to invade and enslave my country and the only chance for my country to remain independent and avoid occupation and oppression would be to trick another big country to interfere and attack the aggressive country which threatens my country, then I wouldn't hesitate one second to do something similar to what Sisko did.

And I wouldn't regret it either.

The only thing I blame Sisko for in that episode is when he punch poor Garak for what Garak had done in this matter, when Garak actually did what he did on Sisko's orders.
 
Sisko's part on this was ridiculous anyway. He's a station commander and a religious icon; he shouldn't have been doing this. Garak, being Obsidian Order, knew how the game was played.

It's a little like Picard being an undercover mercenary or a commando on a search and destroy mission, really. But we see him do both these things.
 
Here is how I rank them. 1 TOS. 2 DS9. 3 The Orville. 4 TNG. 5 Lower Decks. 6 Voyager. 7 Enterprise. 8 Picard. 9 Discovery. 10 TAS. I will say TNG is number 1 though when it comes to pure nostalgia. It's the one I am likely to put on if I am feeling sad and depressed.
 
I remember when people crapped on DS9. A TOS and TNG fan said "I even sat through the whole first season of DS9 for research reasons". But look at it now...
 
Here is how I rank them. 1 TOS. 2 DS9. 3 The Orville. 4 TNG. 5 Lower Decks. 6 Voyager. 7 Enterprise. 8 Picard. 9 Discovery. 10 TAS. I will say TNG is number 1 though when it comes to pure nostalgia. It's the one I am likely to put on if I am feeling sad and depressed.
I like TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager for different reasons. In the same way that I like different sorts of rock music, from heavy stuff like Iron Maiden and Deep Purple to Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Byrds and Pink Floyd. Sometimes I find it hard to state that DS9 is best or Voyager is best or so because I like different aspects of the shows. However, I must state that in recent years I have discovered that DS9 is the one with most depth, character development and good stories.

As for TOS, I came in late in that one. I watched the movies first and when around the time TNG started to air on one of my channels, TOS showed up on another. OK, it was a bit primitive when it came to filming and such, after all it was made in the 60's. But the characters are very likeable, great actually and the stories are mostly very good. And TOS is TOS, the father of it all. Like Elvis for rock music.

When I started to watch TNG, I was first a bit disappointed. I had watched the TOS movies and a few episodes and after watching the pilot of TNG I thought "is that all there is?" But I continued to watch it and after a few episodes I started to like it more and more. Around season 3 when the series really became excellent, I thought that it was the best I've seen. It also has very likeable characters and TNG is still a series which I watch with great joy.

I had a troubled story with DS9. One of my channels started to air it after I'd seen the last TNG episode and in the light of that, the first episodes of DS9 didn't seem too great. I thought that the series was OK, the characters OK but sort of "TNG:s minor team" in a way. Kira and Quark was those I liked the most from the start. Unfortunately, the station I had which aired DS9 cancelled it after only one season. Some years later, I signed up for a paid channel in order to be able to watch DS9, only to see the channel close down after a few weeks. When I finally started to buy the series on DVD, I had problems wih bad quality DVD.s which continued for some time. I'm sure that my angry posts a bout low-quality DVD:s still can be found on this site.

But when I finally got DVD.s of good qualities and got the chance to watch the series from start to finish, then I realized how incredible good it is. The development of the characters and their interaction, the windling story which takes some unexpected twists and turns here and there all the way from the Bajoran-Cardassian conflict to the Dominion war and all other exciting plots. Even the villains are the best.

Right now I'm into my fifth rewatch of the series and it's still as exciting as it always has been. It's also nice to discover things which I haven't noticed before in the series.

Voyager is another chapter. I actually found Voyager while visiting a shop where it was possible to rent VHS tapes from movies, series and such for a decent sum. Legally, I must point out. I was out to find a copy of Move Along Home which a malfunctioning VHS player had obstucted for me when I was about to tape it from TV an evening when I was at a rock concert so I could just watch 10 minutes of it before the VHS player had stopped recording. Eager about to finf´d out how it ended, I went to the shop to borrow the episode. Unfortunately, they didn't have anything DS9. But they had all season 1 of Voyager.

So I borrowed Caretaker and I really liked what I was watching. I took an immediate liking to all the main characters which only has happened to me one more time and that was with NCIS some years later, they were introduced in a very good way in the episode and the premise with a ship lost in space was brilliant.

So I watched Voyager with great joy for three seasons but in the long run, the series became a disappointment for me. I still like the first three seasons and the characters but Voyager could and should have been much better than it was. bad writing and stupid decisions by those in charge ruined it in a way.

I neve liked Enterprise. I found the characters bland and boring and the whole idea of a retro series stupid. They couldn't even make it look like TOS and they also started to mess upp established Trek history. So I quit after 4 or 5 episodes and never turned back.

As for the recent stuff, I never really liked the NuTrek movies which I see as a desperate attempt to squeeze out the last of TOS. Discovery is downright horrible! The characters are lousy, the whole series is dark and gloomy, not to mention the Mutant Ninja Turtles Warriors Klingons. :barf:
And Picard is also dark and gloomy, only interesting because Picard is in it. :weep:

So as it is now, I'm quite happy with re-watchin TOS, TNG, DS9 and the first three seasons of Voyager. There are aspects of all those shows which I really like but if I have to choose, then I pick DS9 as the overall most watchable.
 
had a troubled story with DS9. One of my channels started to air it after I'd seen the last TNG episode and in the light of that, the first episodes of DS9 didn't seem too great. I thought that the series was OK, the characters OK but sort of "TNG:s minor team" in a way. Kira and Quark was those I liked the most from the start. Unfortunately, the station I had which aired DS9 cancelled it after only one season. Some years later, I signed up for a paid channel in order to be able to watch DS9, only to see the channel close down after a few weeks. When I finally started to buy the series on DVD, I had problems wih bad quality DVD.s which continued for some time. I'm sure that my angry posts a bout low-quality DVD:s still can be found on this site.

But when I finally got DVD.s of good qualities and got the chance to watch the series from start to finish, then I realized how incredible good it is. The development of the characters and their interaction, the windling story which takes some unexpected twists and turns here and there all the way from the Bajoran-Cardassian conflict to the Dominion war and all other exciting plots. Even the villains are the best.

Right now I'm into my fifth rewatch of the series and it's still as exciting as it always has been. It's also nice to discover things which I haven't noticed before in the series.

Kudos to you for your perseverance in getting your hands on DS9. Glad the experience proved to be worth the effort.
 
Kudos to you for your perseverance in getting your hands on DS9. Glad the experience proved to be worth the effort.
After watching the three first seasons (when the DVD problems started), I knew that I had found something worth to watch from the first episode to the last. That was a reason to continue with getting the whole series on watchable DVD:s. Fortunately it looks like the problem is solved. :techman:
 
Sisko never ordered him to kill the senator.

The whole reason why Sisko chose Garak is because he knew assassination was a possibility and Garak would be willing to do it. Garak specifically calls Sisko out on this in the episode and Sisko doesn't deny it. If Sisko just wanted a fake holorecording, he would have gone to Starfleet Intelligence, but he knew full well what needed to be done.
 
1. DS9 - far and away the best of Trek. Can't see that changing.
2. TNG
3. TOS
4. Disco
5. Picard
6. Enterprise
7. Short Trips
8. TAS

I suppose I should include Lower Decks, but...nah, it's the only Trek show I've failed to watch. TAS is not good, but LD ?

Just no.
 
DS9’s my favorite but I think it’s silly to use stuff like Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic for list making. Rotten tomatoes makes no distinction between “It was pretty good” and “IT WAS THE BEST THING EVER”. And Metacritic makes no correction for sample size or sampling bias.

And neither even attempt to factor in how something ages. All the reviews are first impressions.

Those sites are great to use as filters to get recommendations but horrible for curating “Best evaaaaarrr”.
 
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The whole reason why Sisko chose Garak is because he knew assassination was a possibility and Garak would be willing to do it. Garak specifically calls Sisko out on this in the episode and Sisko doesn't deny it. If Sisko just wanted a fake holorecording, he would have gone to Starfleet Intelligence, but he knew full well what needed to be done.

Think Starfleet Intelligence could have come up with a genuine Cardassian technobabble data rod?

But, yes, I agree with your point, Sisko picked Garak because he could and would use unpleasant methods to accomplish the mission, that Starfleet and Sisko on his own would not stoop to. And all Garak got for his trouble was a fat lip. He deserves an apology, at least.
 
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