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Do you believe at some point, everyone in the Milky Way joined the Federation?

Recent work indicates our galaxy may be much larger than previously thought, like MUCH more than 100,000ly across.

I discuss this in an earlier post.[/QUOT

Your diagrmis not to scale. It doesn't agree with the dimensions that you give for the thin disc, the thick disc, and the halo.

So it is easy for someone to misintrepet your diagram and assume that you claim the galaxy is only 100,000 light years in diameter.
 
Your diagrmis not to scale. It doesn't agree with the dimensions that you give for the thin disc, the thick disc, and the halo.
I literally state that "it isn't too scale" in the original post

NOTE: Image of Side Orthographic MilkyWay Galaxy ISN'T to-scale, only there for illustrative purposes.

So it is easy for someone to misintrepet your diagram and assume that you claim the galaxy is only 100,000 light years in diameter.
Star Trek itself has claimed that the MilkyWay Galaxy is 100,000 ly in diameter.

Given all the IRL data we have on the different parts of the MilkyWay Galaxy right now, they might be accurate, in a fashion.

Part of our MilkyWay Galaxy is ~100,000 ly in diameter, and that's the Thin Disk that we live on.

In Universe logic, maybe the StarFleet Stellar Cartographers only primarily cared about the "Thin Disk" and didn't care about the other parts for whatever reason. So the primary map focuses on Stars within the "Thin Disk". That is where the majority of Stars resides.

The "Thick Disk" has fewer Star Systems in terms of density per volume than the "Thin Disk", and the outter Galactic Halo has even fewer "Star Systems" in terms of density per volume than the "Thick Disk".

IRL reasoning, they didn't have the knowledge that we have now, alot of the other discoveries of the various parts of our galaxy happened post Voyager's ending.

So take it for what it's worth.
 
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I literally state that "it isn't too scale" in the original post




Star Trek itself has claimed that the MilkyWay Galaxy is 100,000 ly in diameter.

Given all the IRL data we have on the different parts of the MilkyWay Galaxy right now, they might be accurate, in a fashion.

Part of our MilkyWay Galaxy is ~100,000 ly in diameter, and that's the Thin Disk that we live on.

In Universe logic, maybe the StarFleet Stellar Cartographers only primarily cared about the "Thin Disk" and didn't care about the other parts for whatever reason. So the primary map focuses on Stars within the "Thin Disk". That is where the majority of Stars resides.

The "Thick Disk" has fewer Star Systems in terms of density per volume than the "Thin Disk", and the outter Galactic Halo has even fewer "Star Systems" in terms of density per volume than the "Thick Disk".

IRL reasoning, they didn't have the knowledge that we have now, alot of the other discoveries of the various parts of our galaxy happened post Voyager's ending.

So take it for what it's worth.

And of course Starfleet might decide that the galaxy only contains the stars which are within the galactic barrier, whose dimensions are never mentioned. It is reasonable to assume that the galactic barrier is more or less wrapped around the thick disc or more probably the thin disc. That would make the barrier comparatively easy to reach by going "up" or "down" to the "top" or "bottom" of the thin disc, travelling only a few hundred ofr thousand light years, instead of the tens or hundreds of thousands of light years it might take to reach the most distant "edge" of tthe thin disc, the most distant "edge" of the thick disc, or the most distant "edge" of the galactic halo.

So it is possible that the galactic barrier is wrapped around the "surfaces" of the thin disc, and Starfleet counts only objects within the thin disc was being within the gaalxy, and thus describes the galaxy as being 100,00 light years in diameter.

If the Milky Way Galaxy's galactic halo of stars, gas, and dark matter has a radius of about 300,0000 light yeaars, some of the neaearest known gaalxies sould actually be within the limits of hte halo of the Milky Way Galaxy..

The Earth is about 26,000 light years from the center of the Milky Way Galaxy , so a galaxy described as being X light years from Earth would be between X plus 26,000 light years and X minus 26,000 light years from the galactic center, depending on the angle between Earth, that galaxy, and the galactic center.

According to this list there are about 31 galaxies closer to Earth than 0.3 million light years or 300,000 light years. And there ae a total of about 59 galaxies listed as a satellites of hte Mikly Way, at distances up to 1.44 million liht eyars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_galaxies

And so I guess that their gravitational interactions with the thinly spaced objects in the galactic halo should cause some of the stars, clusters, gas, dust, and dark matter in the halo to escape into intergalactic space or move closer to the center of the galaxy.
 
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If the Milky Way Galaxy's galactic halo of stars, gas, and dark matter has a radius of about 300,0000 light yeaars, some of the neaearest known gaalxies sould actually be within the limits of hte halo of the Milky Way Galaxy..

The Earth is about 26,000 light years from the center of the Milky Way Galaxy , so a galaxy described as being X light years from Earth would be between X plus 26,000 light years and X minus 26,000 light years from the galactic center, depending on the angle between Earth, that galaxy, and the galactic center.

According to this list there are about 31 galaxies closer to Earth than 0.3 million light years or 300,000 light years. And there ae a total of about 59 galaxies listed as a satellites of hte Mikly Way, at distances up to 1.44 million liht eyars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nearest_galaxies

And so I guess that their gravitational interactions with the thinly spaced objects in the galactic halo should cause some of the stars, clusters, gas, dust, and dark matter in the halo to escape into intergalactic space or move closer to the center of the galaxy.
You are correct, our Local Group has 59 Dwarf Galaxies that are very close by on the Z-Axis.

But the thing is, some of these Dwarf Galaxies are pretty small in Diameter.

Look at how dense and how many Dwarf Galaxies surround our Milkyway Galaxies.
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Those 59 Dwarf Galaxies are so adorable and many of them are < 1,000 ly in Diameter.

The range of distances from Earth of these "Dwarf Galaxies" range from:

Draco 2 has a 220 ly Diameter and only ~70,100 ly away from Earth, that can probably be easily explored and colonized in a decade if the UFP wanted to.

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Leo T Dwarf has a 2,300 ly Diameter and is only 1,440,000 ly away from Earth, that can probably be easily explored and colonized as well once Quantum Slip Stream is common & Mass Produced.

On my Warp Factor Scale 3.0 which is based on the TNG era Warp Factor scale, but with the BS hand drawn curve past Wf 9.0 removed. All Wf values are properly expanded upon in my Excel Spread Sheet Calculator Table. Quantum Slip Stream at it's Maximum potential of Wf 180 can cover ~90,154 ly in one day. that means Leo T Dwarf is a ~ 16 Day journey from Earth.

That means by my 26th Century era, the UFP can start inspecting all the Local Groups Galaxies.

Andromeda Galaxy would be a 27.7 Day journey from Earth.

Triangulum Galaxy would be a 30.28 day journey from Earth.

So plenty of stories to tell, plenty of Local Galaxies to fan out and expand upon.

Not mentioning the fact that our MilkyWay Galaxy is VAST in 3D and you have so much to explore.

And the fact that the original Enterprise was able to make it past the barrier in TOS, that means StarFleet now has the knowledge on how to puncture the barrier and exit it.

And don't forget that the Traveler shunted the Enterprise-D to the Triangulum Galaxy, so we must've passed the Galactic Barrier as well, with Zero ill effects.
 
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And don't forget that the Traveler shunted the Enterprise-D to the Triangulum Galaxy, so we must've passed the Galactic Barrier as well, with zero ill effects.

The Traveler phased the ship (as in"The Next Phase" and also "Pegasus"), so it could go through barriers, stars galaxies with no effect, otherwise imagine how dangerous a journey of ten billion light-years would be.
 
The Traveler phased the ship (as in"The Next Phase" and also "Pegasus"), so it could go through barriers, stars galaxies with no effect, otherwise imagine how dangerous a journey of ten billion light-years would be.

If that's the case, then we should bust out the Phase Cloak and standardize it.
 
How are Medusans "funny looking humans"???

See ST:Progidy...

There is nothing particularly alien about the way these boxed critters interact with merely clothed ones. Truly alien life would best be defined through this interaction - making it more or less by definition difficult to turn true aliens into UFP members, but also to even comprehend what membership might in theory entail. Is it a failure to integrate a member if the statistical distribution of dikironium in the galactic halo refuses to sign? (Despite having been witnessed holding a pen and scribbling warp equations?)

Timo Saloniemi
 
You are correct, our Local Group has 59 Dwarf Galaxies that are very close by on the Z-Axis.

But the thing is, some of these Dwarf Galaxies are pretty small in Diameter.

Look at how dense and how many Dwarf Galaxies surround our Milkyway Galaxies.
F1jHnSQ.jpg

Those 59 Dwarf Galaxies are so adorable and many of them are < 1,000 ly in Diameter.

The range of distances from Earth of these "Dwarf Galaxies" range from:

Draco 2 has a 220 ly Diameter and only ~70,100 ly away from Earth, that can probably be easily explored and colonized in a decade if the UFP wanted to.

to

Leo T Dwarf has a 2,300 ly Diameter and is only 1,440,000 ly away from Earth, that can probably be easily explored and colonized as well once Quantum Slip Stream is common & Mass Produced.

On my Warp Factor Scale 3.0 which is based on the TNG era Warp Factor scale, but with the BS hand drawn curve past Wf 9.0 removed. All Wf values are properly expanded upon in my Excel Spread Sheet Calculator Table. Quantum Slip Stream at it's Maximum potential of Wf 180 can cover ~90,154 ly in one day. that means Leo T Dwarf is a ~ 16 Day journey from Earth.

That means by my 26th Century era, the UFP can start inspecting all the Local Groups Galaxies.

Andromeda Galaxy would be a 27.7 Day journey from Earth.

Triangulum Galaxy would be a 30.28 day journey from Earth.

So plenty of stories to tell, plenty of Local Galaxies to fan out and expand upon.

Not mentioning the fact that our MilkyWay Galaxy is VAST in 3D and you have so much to explore.

And the fact that the original Enterprise was able to make it past the barrier in TOS, that means StarFleet now has the knowledge on how to puncture the barrier and exit it.

And don't forget that the Traveler shunted the Enterprise-D to the Triangulum Galaxy, so we must've passed the Galactic Barrier as well, with Zero ill effects.

I don't recall Quantum slipstream being noted to be 90 154 ly's per day.
Version 1 (which Voyager quickly adapted) and did NOT use Benamite crystals was at maximum 300 Ly's per hour - that's probably not sustainable for long periods of time (similar to extreme Warp velocities it can probably be sustained for 10 to 12 hours by even the Dauntless... maybe 24 hrs since the Dauntless was designed for quantum stresses in mind)... which is probably why the fake message said that the crew would need to be in slipstream for 3 months to traverse 60 000 Ly's (at the time) using the Dauntless... which gives us a sustainable cruising speed of about 714.28 Ly's per day (makes me wonder why didn't Voyager just reduce the QS speed to that level so the ship can survive in QS for longer - unless that didn't matter and the quantum stresses would have still impacted structural integrity in the same manner - in which case, they were better off using maximum speed instead).
Emergency maximum speeds would be 7200 Ly's per day (or 300 Ly's per hr) which Voyager couldn't have sustained more than 1 hr due to quantum stresses, but the fake Dauntless could have hypothetically for much longer, although it likely limits out to a day or half a day too (probably because it was designed for it).

Mind you, even at those sustainable cruising speeds (QS V1 without benamite crystals), the closer dwarf galaxies are readily explorable.
Also, if Warp 9.9 = 21 473 x speed of light (or about 58.83 ly's per day)... (and the USS Prometheus as seen in 4th season of Voyager, was able to sustain that without issues) it stands to reason UFP already has access to the immediate local group of galaxies if they install same engines and modify them for ships meant to be at that high Warp for long periods of time.

Now, Quantum Slipstream version 2 which needed Benamite crystals and resulted at 10 000 Ly's per minute (translating to about 14 400 000 Ly's per day, or 5,256,000,000 times speed of light). That would probably be 'ready' for mass use about 10 - 20 years after Voyager returned home (although UFP would likely not need more than a couple of years to make it fully operational so it can be sustained for 10 - 12 hrs at a time - maybe 24hr limit in the late 24th century and early 25th century) and develop a method for faster Benamite crystal creation or a machine capable of regenerating existing Benamite crystals - similar to how UFP developed technology to recrystallize Dilithium crystals - so, even if it takes years to make Benamite crystals, you can just regenerate them to prevent decay - or use them once to get where you need to go, explore for a few years, then when the next batch is made, you can hop on back to UFP - but again, these 'limitations' would have been overcome in a few decades of research at worst).

Again, 32nd century would have been great if it at least showed us that UFP had multiple big operations beyond the Milky Way in the immediate local group of Galaxies stretching as far out as Andromeda galaxy (at least).


EDIT: Btw, Speaking of USS Protostar... from the new intro, its main deflector looks very similar to the fake Dauntless which in itself might suggest its using QS drive - but that could just be a coincidence.
 
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I don't recall Quantum slipstream being noted to be 90 154 ly's per day.
Version 1 (which Voyager quickly adapted) and did NOT use Benamite crystals was at maximum 300 Ly's per hour - that's probably not sustainable for long periods of time (similar to extreme Warp velocities it can probably be sustained for 10 to 12 hours... maybe a day if the hull is not wrecked by quantum stresses)... which is probably why the fake message said that the crew would need to be in slipstream for 3 months to traverse 60 000 Ly's (at the time)... which gives us a sustainable cruising speed of about 714.28 Ly's per day.
Emergency maximum speeds would be 7200 Ly's per day (or 300 Ly's per hr).

Mind you, even at those sustainable cruising speeds (QS V1 without benamite crystals), the closer dwarf galaxies are readily explorable.
Also, if Warp 9.9 = 21 473 x speed of light (or about 58.83 ly's per day)... (and the USS Prometheus as seen in 4th season of Voyager, was able to sustain that without issues) it stands to reason UFP already has access to the immediate local group of galaxies if they install same engines and modify them for ships meant to be at that high Warp for long periods of time.

Now, Quantum Slipstream version 2 which needed Benamite crystals and resulted at 10 000 Ly's per minute (translating to about 14 400 000 Ly's per day, or 5,256,000,000 times speed of light). That would probably be 'ready' for mass use about 10 - 20 years after Voyager returned home (although UFP would likely not need more than a couple of years to make it fully operational so it can be sustained for 10 - 12 hrs at a time - maybe 24hr limit in the late 24th century and early 25th century) and develop a method for faster Benamite crystal creation or a machine capable of regenerating existing Benamite crystals - similar to how UFP developed technology to recrystallize Dilithium crystals - so, even if it takes years to make Benamite crystals, you can just regenerate them to prevent decay - or use them once to get where you need to go, explore for a few years, then when the next batch is made, you can hop on back to UFP - but again, these 'limitations' would have been overcome in a few decades of research at worst).
My version of QSS'(Quantum Slip-Stream), "Upper end" of speed is based on my estimation of how fast they traveled by frame analyzing the show on a "Best Case Scenario" and extrapolating how fast they traveled in accordance to my Warp factor system.
This is without the use of "Mass Produced" SBC (Synthetic Benamite Crystal)'s.

A "Enhanced Version" of QSS has a feature to use SBC that take years to synthetically grow since they can't be replicated. Yes, they are mass produced and grown in local space. And no, you can't use Kelemane's planet to cheat and accelerate the growth, the transition betwen temporal boundaries of the Kelemane's accelerated Time and our local time inherently destroy the Benamite Crystals intrinsic property to allow "Enhanced QSS" drive usage.

But that's ok, the UFP have mass produced factories in real space around local Star Systems to mass produce SBC's by growing them since you can't replicate the complex structure via Replicators.

So your "Enhanced QSS" that requires Benamite Crystals becomes a rare consumable powered, but enhanced version of QSS. And yes, there's a slot for a custom SBC container that halts the natural decay of Benamite Crystals (Synthetic or Natural versions, same effects) that run on a special high powered battery that perpetually runs the mini Temporal Stasis field to halt said natural decay.

So regular usage of SBC's is common and allow very "Safe" Galactic Travel in a span of hours via a tiny consumable. Otherwise, the trips will take "Days" to accomplish. And we Organic beings have a limited life span =D.

Again, 32nd century would have been great if it at least showed us that UFP had multiple big operations beyond the Milky Way in the immediate local group of Galaxies stretching as far out as Andromeda galaxy (at least).
We don't control the writing staff of DISCO, so ::shrugs::
I know I would've had shown UFP already colonizing all the local Dwarf Galaxies and having small colonies in the farther away galaxies like Andromeda and Triangulum by the 32nd Century.

By my start of the 26th century, it is the beginning of a new Era (Earth Calender) and the initial exploration efforts into the Nearest Dwarf Galaxies are being planned by StarFleet.

EDIT: Btw, Speaking of USS Protostar... from the new intro, its main deflector looks very similar to the fake Dauntless which in itself might suggest its using QS drive - but that could just be a coincidence.
I'm thinking Voth style Transwarp Drive instead of QSS drive due to the nature of the animation and which one it's more similar to.
 
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My version of QSS'(Quantum Slip-Stream), "Upper end" of speed is based on my estimation of how fast they traveled by frame analyzing the show on a "Best Case Scenario" and extrapolating how fast they traveled in accordance to my Warp factor system.
This is without the use of "Mass Produced" SBC (Synthetic Benamite Crystal)'s.

A "Enhanced Version" of QSS has a feature to use SBC that take years to synthetically grow since they can't be replicated. Yes, they are mass produced and grown in local space. And no, you can't use Kelemane's planet to cheat and accelerate the growth, the transition betwen temporal boundaries of the Kelemane's accelerated Time and our local time inherently destroy the Benamite Crystals intrinsic property to allow "Enhanced QSS" drive usage.

But that's ok, the UFP have mass produced factories in real space around local Star Systems to mass produce SBC's by growing them since you can't replicate the complex structure via Replicators.

So your "Enhanced QSS" that requires Benamite Crystals becomes a rare consumable powered, but enhanced version of QSS. And yes, there's a slot for a custom SBC container that halts the natural decay of Benamite Crystals (Synthetic or Natural versions, same effects) that run on a special high powered battery that perpetually runs the mini Temporal Stasis field to halt said natural decay.

So regular usage of SBC's is common and allow very "Safe" Galactic Travel in a span of hours via a tiny consumable. Otherwise, the trips will take "Days" to accomplish. And we Organic beings have a limited life span =D.

Excellent ideas.
I still maintain the UFP would have been able to find a way to make Benamite crystals at a faster pace over the years and to either drastically slow down or stop their decay entirely, and even regenerate them - but these developments I presume could be done in stages... after say a few years (around the time the Protostar was launched) UFP was able to grow new crystals and stabilize them to slow their decay which would enhance their longevity to say a few years (enough until a new batch can be grown.
After 20 years or so (around Picard series time), I'd expect the UFP to be able to improve the speed of benamite crystal growth by a double at least - you'd start seeing more intra-galactic and some extra galactic surveys of dwarf galaxies and possibly Andromeda (the fact it suffered from radiation issues is a PRIME reason for SF to dispatch a ship or several and see if they can help stop it).

We don't control the writing staff of DISCO, so ::shrugs::
I know I would've had shown UFP already colonizing all the local Dwarf Galaxies and having small colonies in the farther away galaxies like Andromeda and Triangulum by the 32nd Century.

Exactly.
A lot better potential for story telling if they gave us something like that instead. Also, UFP should have had Dyson Swarms and Sphere across the Milky Way (or at least in areas it controls) and those dwarf galaxies they colonized by that time - effectively could have also been using Hyper-subspace which they used to establish real time communications with Voyager across the galaxy with MIDAS to create a sort of a Hyper-subspace network between the Swarms and Spheres (sort of like UFP version of TransWarp hubs and highways if you will - individual ships would be capable of Hyper-subspace Warp speeds independently of course, but would only use this method in areas Hyper-subspace network isn't established) to conserve their own resources (similar to how Borg ships used the TW hub to travel across the galaxy, but individual ships would still be capable of generating their TW speeds in case the network doesn't run in that area - which can be huge of course).
The 32nd century equivalent of the Burn could have still happened, but predominantly targeting the Spheres/Swarms that form the Hyper-Subspace hubs/networks for example.

By my start of the 26th century, it is the beginning of a new Era (Earth Calender) and the initial exploration efforts into the Nearest Dwarf Galaxies are being planned by StarFleet.

In my perception, this would have occurred in smaller amounts by the early/mid 25th century already... though I suppose that era could have been used to fully/better explore the Milky Way itself with the improved drive.
Alas..

I'm thinking Voth style Transwarp Drive instead of QSS drive due to the nature of the animation and which one it's more similar to.

Eh... not sure, though that DOES remain a possibility.
The Voth TW and the TW the Voyager crew developed (the one that evolved Paris and Janeway) has been acknowledged as part of canon and both used same SFX at the time - although the main difference was in speeds. VOY's TW was 'infinite velocity' (and ergo instant transport to a desired location)... whereas the Voth's TW topped out at about 60 Ly's per 10 seconds (at least for Gegan's expedition ship).

Though yes, the effect bears some similarities to that TW, but I can also see similarities between this new effect and Quantum Slipstream.
All in all, we've seen Warp undergoing SFX changes in Discovery season 3... so... it wouldn't be surprising if that was just regular... or even 'enhanced Warp' (remember the Voyager made by the Silver Blood? - maybe UFP found a way to enhance the Warp drive in a similar way and then decided the Protostar could be used to test it out - but obviously, since Protostar is real, the Warp core radiation wouldn't have an effect on the ship or crew - just because the copy VOY didn't survive doesn't mean the crew or UFP at large couldn't have thought up to enhance Warp in the same way... but who knows).
 
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Excellent ideas.
I still maintain the UFP would have been able to find a way to make Benamite crystals at a faster pace over the years and to either drastically slow down or stop their decay entirely, and even regenerate them - but these developments I presume could be done in stages... after say a few years (around the time the Protostar was launched) UFP was able to grow new crystals and stabilize them to slow their decay which would enhance their longevity to say a few years (enough until a new batch can be grown.
After 20 years or so (around Picard series time), I'd expect the UFP to be able to improve the speed of benamite crystal growth by a double at least - you'd start seeing more intra-galactic and some extra galactic surveys of dwarf galaxies and possibly Andromeda (the fact it suffered from radiation issues is a PRIME reason for SF to dispatch a ship or several and see if they can help stop it).
That's fine if that's what you want in your Head Canon.
In my Head Canon, I have it balanced out so that the growth of SBCs (Synthetic Benamite Crystals) is already a established industry and the desired useable "Operational Time" of 2^24 ms ~= "4 hrs, 39 mins, 37 sec(s), & 215 ms" was artificially created to balance mass production and useable life-time of each SBC. Each SBC allows ~ 2,793,602 ly of travel distance via Enhanced QSS drive. That's more than enough to cross over to another Galaxy and back. It offers nearly every ship in StarFleet a "Go Home" drive in case they ever get stuck in the middle of Bum Fuck no-where and wants to go home.

In my Head Canon, the SBC degrades because of a completely different reason and logic from Dilithium Crystals, so they can't be "Re-Crystalized" like Dilithium. But it doesn't really matter since you can just grow more in bulk at large manufacturing facilities and distribute them amongst StarShip Captains as a special use tool.

Exactly.
A lot better potential for story telling if they gave us something like that instead. Also, UFP should have had Dyson Swarms and Sphere across the Milky Way (or at least in areas it controls) and those dwarf galaxies they colonized by that time - effectively could have also been using Hyper-subspace which they used to establish real time communications with Voyager across the galaxy with MIDAS to create a sort of a Hyper-subspace network between the Swarms and Spheres (sort of like UFP version of TransWarp hubs and highways if you will - individual ships would be capable of Hyper-subspace Warp speeds independently of course, but would only use this method in areas Hyper-subspace network isn't established) to conserve their own resources (similar to how Borg ships used the TW hub to travel across the galaxy, but individual ships would still be capable of generating their TW speeds in case the network doesn't run in that area - which can be huge of course).
Hyper-Subspace is already in common use in my 26th Century UFP and everybody can have real time Video Conferencing across the quadrant with their loved ones if they wanted. It won't be perfect (Like modern day Video Conferencing), but given the vast distances, it's pretty damn good.

Depending on Comm-link bandwidth and distance to the last comm relay node before you hop on the Hyper SubSpace Relay Networks, you can get Basic Star Wars style Holographic Comms or if you're closer, get "Real Defintion" Holographic Calls where the person looks like they're physically there in person.

As far as Dyson Swarms and Dyson Sphere's, those take an inordinate amount of time to manufacture (we're talking Eons just for the Neutronium shell with massive automation on a ridiculous scale), more than many people's life times to boot by several orders of magnitude, (Even with Genetically Engineered extended Human Life-spans). So UFP is more focused on refurbishing the existing Dyson Sphere that they found, stabilizing the local Star inside, and colonizing the Inside & Outside.

That's already a on-going Mega Project by the UFP where we've established new colonization and claimed dominion over the existing Dyson Sphere. We've also learned the secret to manufacturing and/or extracting Neutronium in it's raw form and how incredibly difficult and resource intensive it is. So use of Neutronium Alloys is limited to mission critical items like the casing for a "Warp Core" or the Shell of a Blast Poof Main Computer Rooms, or the encasement of the Bridge & CIC room.

Neutronium isn't used for everything, just critical components on a StarShip to protect the crew and enhance survivability due to it's resource intensive nature to mass produce even a small amount of Neutronium.

As far as the UFP's collosal Mega Project, I have them working on a version of the Bank's Orbital that is more reasonable in size for the UFP to manufacture with their current resources. Also the UFP doesn't want to put too many eggs in one basket.

Some basic Physical Dimensions for my version of a Banks Orbital are:
- Outter Radius: 8,000 km
- Inner Radius: 7,970 km
- Ring Depth: 1,000 km
- Ring Thickness: 30 km

My Banks Orbital uses traditional Spin Gravity + Artificial Gravity to allow real fine tuned control of gravity for various species with each major zone inside having a certain Gravity level tuned for a specific range of species.
There's the baseline Gravity and extra Artificial Gravity Generators on top to fine tune for certain species natural preferred Gravity values. So each of the 51 Zones have varying Gravity within a reasonable range and this allows the various UFP members to all co-exist and visit each other on my Large Ring Habitat Vessel.

Each of the 51 Zones has enough Land-Mass to be equivalent to the Land Area the size of the UK.

The vessel can support 3,621,000,000 UFP citizens comfortably spread about 51 zones.

My Bank's Orbital is a Ring Ship that is literally shaped like a Ring, but uses Vulcan style Coleopteric Ring Drives for FTL & traditional Hyper-Impulse Drives.

When your vessel is that massive, you need the most efficient Warp Drive and Vulcan's have it with their Coleopteric Ring Shaped Warp Drives.

As far as Hyper-SubSpace as a form of FTL drive, I do use it as one, but in a completely different way to make it more believable. But that's a different story for another topic.

I do have TransWarp Corridor Freeways for Civilians and their Astro-Mobiles.

So the average citizen can fly their AstroMobiles between Planets easily without needing to own a FTL drive.

My Civilian TransWarp Corridor Freeways are designed for vessels that fit within a Circular Diameter of 100 meters only. I don't want them to be abused my any Military Forces, so the Network was designed to have a relatively small aperture and Corridor size, unlike the Borg version which is MASSIVE.

My StarFleet and UFP doesn't need a large Fixed Transwarp Corridor Network, the only use for something the size that the Borg uses are for "Invasion" IMO. If we need to make Transwarp Corridors, we make it on a "As Needed" basis. But otherwise my StarFleet has plenty of TransWarp level FTL drives beyond TransWarp Corridor Generators.

I prefer the TransWarp Corridor Freeway Network because it enables civilians to travel amongst the stars via their personal AstroMobiles.

The 32nd century equivalent of the Burn could have still happened, but predominantly targeting the Spheres/Swarms that form the Hyper-Subspace hubs/networks for example.
In my Head Canon, Michael Burnham came back in time and prevented "The Burn" and saved millions of lives. She also prevented the Outlawing of Time Travel and Time Travel becomes very highly regulated. She eventually retires with Booker and have kids together.

In my perception, this would have occurred in smaller amounts by the early/mid 25th century already... though I suppose that era could have been used to fully/better explore the Milky Way itself with the improved drive.
Alas..

Eh... not sure, though that DOES remain a possibility.
The Voth TW and the TW the Voyager crew developed (the one that evolved Paris and Janeway) has been acknowledged as part of canon and both used same SFX at the time - although the main difference was in speeds. VOY's TW was 'infinite velocity' (and ergo instant transport to a desired location)... whereas the Voth's TW topped out at about 60 Ly's per second (at least for Gegan's expedition ship).

Though yes, the effect bears some similarities to that TW, but I can also see similarities between this new effect and Quantum Slipstream.
All in all, we've seen Warp undergoing SFX changes in Discovery season 3... so... it wouldn't be surprising if that was just regular... or even 'enhanced Warp' (remember the Voyager made by the Silver Blood? - maybe UFP found a way to enhance the Warp drive in a similar way and then decided the Protostar could be used to test it out - but obviously, since Protostar is real, the Warp core radiation wouldn't have an effect on the ship or crew - just because the copy VOY didn't survive doesn't mean the crew or UFP at large couldn't have thought up to enhance Warp in the same way... but who knows).
I'm of the mind that exploration takes time, we don't need to rush, we rather take our time and go in depth on an area and spread knowledge about.

There are Billions of Stars in our Milkyway, and to get a Detailed understanding of each StarSystem and setup local Colonies or Space Stations will take time.
 
As far as Dyson Swarms and Dyson Sphere's, those take an inordinate amount of time to manufacture (we're talking Eons just for the Neutronium shell with massive automation on a ridiculous scale), more than many people's life times to boot by several orders of magnitude, (Even with Genetically Engineered extended Human Life-spans). So UFP is more focused on refurbishing the existing Dyson Sphere that they found, stabilizing the local Star inside, and colonizing the Inside & Outside.

That's already a on-going Mega Project by the UFP where we've established new colonization and claimed dominion over the existing Dyson Sphere. We've also learned the secret to manufacturing and/or extracting Neutronium in it's raw form and how incredibly difficult and resource intensive it is. So use of Neutronium Alloys is limited to mission critical items like the casing for a "Warp Core" or the Shell of a Blast Poof Main Computer Rooms, or the encasement of the Bridge & CIC room.

Neutronium isn't used for everything, just critical components on a StarShip to protect the crew and enhance survivability due to it's resource intensive nature to mass produce even a small amount of Neutronium.

I'll only address this as its very late here.
Neutronium isn't needed to build a Dyson Sphere (we've only seen the one in Trek being built from the said material, but nothing says you need Neutronium as such to build it - only the civilization in Trek chose to use Neutronium as the base alloy) - and besides, its likely a combination of different materials such as Tritatium, Duranium, Duritanium, Monotanium, Tetraburnium and Ozmium which are known to UFP science could easily prove just as good, or similar to Neutronium - also, the UFP should already have the ability to manufacture its own Neutronium in the 24th century because it had the dead planet killer in its possession for study for over 100 years... and again, you don't need to build full hulls of the stuff, just small (proverbial microscopic) quantities to merge it with other strong materials - this way, you drop resource and energy requirements by orders of magnitude and in the process could make a far more powerful and flexible alloy.

We could have constructed a Dyson Swarm in real life since 1990 from fairly strong carbon based (or common) materials in a span of about 50 years because automation would be doing all of the work and construction would proceed exponentially. There's more than enough resources for that in SOL.. and as construction would advance using automated bots, the adaptive algorithms would continuously R&D new construction methods and better materials which would accelerate construction times, reduce overall resource requirements and improve the alloys they are manufacturing for creation of the Swarm itself.
In Trek, the thing could be self-replicating using the energy of the star its supposed to draw power from (the automated bots would do the same in real life - draw power from the sun and the first solar collector that would be built)... problem solved.
And because its done via automation, construction would proceed at an exponential pace.
People overthink these things and have a tendency to forget (or possibly ignore) just how fast automation is.

A Dyson Sphere is deemed impractical right now in real life (although that may change over time if we do decide to build a Dyson Swarm first)... but a Dyson Swarm is more than within our reach.

For UFP, constructing a Swarm with replicators in the 24th century (or even in the 22nd and 23rd) would be much easier and faster because they would be starting out with far more refined automation and construction methodologies compared to ours.
And even if a Dyson Sphere remains elusive to us in real life, it wouldn't be for UFP as you can build it without neutronium really and it would be the next step from a swarm - and Earth already had impulse engines on a shuttle craft in the mid 22nd century with some good understanding of subspace. In the 23rd and 24th, we've seen SF is able to project its own subspace field around a ship to lower its inertial mass and allow it to maneuver extremely fast like fighter craft... and also, in the 24th century, subspace radically enhances weapons power outputs and anti-matter explosions beyond their baseline levels because the tech is integrated heavily into all systems - this is how we can easily justify gigaton and Teraton yields we saw eventually - although obviously, SF regularly drops the amount to a low degree to avoid loss of life.

Anyway, Dyson Swarms and eventually Spheres would open up tremendous possibilities for energy collection and manipulation, research on a massive scale... real time scans and communications across the entire Milky Way and beyond, travel, etc.

But I also like your ideas too.. it would have still been better than what we got.

And now I bid you good night. :D
 
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I'll only address this as its very late here.
Neutronium isn't needed to build a Dyson Sphere (we've only seen the one in Trek being built from the said material, but nothing says you need Neutronium as such to build it - only the civilization in Trek chose to use Neutronium as the base alloy) - and besides, its likely a combination of different materials such as Tritatium, Duranium, Duritanium, Monotanium, Tetraburnium and Ozmium which are known to UFP science could easily prove just as good, or similar to Neutronium - also, the UFP should already have the ability to manufacture its own Neutronium in the 24th century because it had the dead planet killer in its possession for study for over 100 years... and again, you don't need to build full hulls of the stuff, just small (proverbial microscopic) quantities to merge it with other strong materials - this way, you drop resource and energy requirements by orders of magnitude and in the process could make a far more powerful and flexible alloy.
But even then, the knowledge to built a Neutronium alloy material wasn't available to the UFP / StarFleet in the 24th century. The only confirmed time frame that has that is in the 32nd century.

In my Head Canon, it'll be available in the 26th century, but only for select things due to the value of Neutronium along with the long processing times to manipulate it.

As far as the Planet Killer, it's husk / hull is being harvested for Neutronium in a secret Black Site, so it's being dissected for raw materials in secret so that we can mass produce stronger UFP vessels on average. But that's my universe and time-line. That's one of the many "Easy sources of Neutronium". "Easy is relative", it's still a pain in the arse.

We could have constructed a Dyson Swarm in real life since 1990 from fairly strong carbon based (or common) materials in a span of about 50 years because automation would be doing all of the work and construction would proceed exponentially. There's more than enough resources for that in SOL.. and as construction would advance using automated bots, the adaptive algorithms would continuously R&D new construction methods and better materials which would accelerate construction times, reduce overall resource requirements and improve the alloys they are manufacturing for creation of the Swarm itself.
I'm going to have to disagree with you here, I've been alive long enough to know the state of technology in 1990, and we're NO-WHERE close to being able to make a Dyson Swarm IRL, we're quite far from that.

But anyways, that's a entirely different issue and I don't want to get bogged down in arguing with you about it. That can be it's own thread.

In Trek, the thing could be self-replicating using the energy of the star its supposed to draw power from (the automated bots would do the same in real life - draw power from the sun and the first solar collector that would be built)... problem solved.
And because its done via automation, construction would proceed at an exponential pace.
People overthink these things and have a tendency to forget (or possibly ignore) just how fast automation is.

A Dyson Sphere is deemed impractical right now in real life (although that may change over time if we do decide to build a Dyson Swarm first)... but a Dyson Swarm is more than within our reach.
In my Universe, there's really no need for Dyson Swarm or Sphere's because we already found a Dyson Sphere and have taken over and claimed it as our own and have retro-fitted it to be compatible with our technology and learned it's secrets over the span of 100 years. The Jenolan Dyson Sphere was a find of a life-time and changed things drastically for the UFP.

For UFP, constructing a Swarm with replicators in the 24th century (or even in the 22nd and 23rd) would be much easier and faster because they would be starting out with far more refined automation and construction methodologies compared to ours.
And even if a Dyson Sphere remains elusive to us in real life, it wouldn't be for UFP as you can build it without neutronium really and it would be the next step from a swarm - and Earth already had impulse engines on a shuttle craft in the mid 22nd century with some good understanding of subspace. In the 23rd and 24th, we've seen SF is able to project its own subspace field around a ship to lower its inertial mass and allow it to maneuver extremely fast like fighter craft... and also, in the 24th century, subspace radically enhances weapons power outputs and anti-matter explosions beyond their baseline levels because the tech is integrated heavily into all systems - this is how we can easily justify gigaton and Teraton yields we saw eventually - although obviously, SF regularly drops the amount to a low degree to avoid loss of life.
We won't need Dyson Sphere's, we'll colonize Planets, build up massive Fleets of StarShips to protect all of the UFP. My replication, manufacturing, & Maintenance/Servicing will go to a fleet of over 1 billion Main-Line StarFleet StarShips.

And yes, I have a standardized Naval Doctrine layout for StarFleet.

That's not counting the various Fleets needed for other Service Branches underneath the large re-organization that is the parent service of UIFIS (UFP InterStellar Forces Integrated Services) where StarFleet is part of and functions as the Stellar Naval arm.

There are ALOT of vessels within the UIFIS (UFP InterStellar Forces Integrated Services) for all the other service branches.

Anyway, Dyson Swarms and eventually Spheres would open up tremendous possibilities for energy collection and manipulation, research on a massive scale... real time scans and communications across the entire Milky Way and beyond, travel, etc.

But I also like your ideas too.. it would have still been better than what we got.

And now I bid you good night. :D
I think Dyson Spheres/Swarms are too many resources focused on harvesting all the energy from one Star.

I'd rather distribute the resources, reinforce all UFP members existing Star Systems, Planets, etc.

There are better ways to use resources than to build a Dyson Sphere/Swarm.

Especially since the UFP found a Dyson Sphere in existence and have taken over it and claimed Dominion over it.

I plan on making every planet and Star System within UFP territory incredibly difficult for Borg or any other hostile forces to invade.

If you thought the Planetary Shield Grid shown in Picard was something special, I plan on making that look like Weak Sauce.

Nobody is going to be able to invade UFP territory without regretting their stupid decisions.
 
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